Gyno?!!!

**Viking13** · 09-04-2012, 10:58 AM

On 200mg total. One shot every 3.5 days. Started out taking .25 of arimidex every other day and them dropped it to .25 24 hours after injection 2x a week. Started to feel something weird in my left nipple, and then the right the past two days. I can't describe the feeling. It's just more sensitive a bit and I can feel it throbbing a little when I do some things. I don't feel any direct soreness or growths. No puffiness. Am I being a hypochondriac? I started taking .25 as of today and plan to continue it everyday until symptoms subside. I also had some nolvadex and I took 40mg as well. Any suggestions? I don't want manboobs!!

**GotNoBlueMilk** · 09-04-2012, 12:27 PM

There are two things that will cause "feelings" in the nipples: E2 and progesterone. Higher E2 will lead to nipple lumps, sore nipples, etc. Progesterone can also produce some "weird" feelings, but not produce lumps. Progesterone tends to produce constant hard, erect nipples which leads to sensative feelings. Just like a very pregnant woman. her nipples change not because of elevated estrogen, but because of elevated progesterone.

It is hard to know the difference until you get some experience under your belt. And gyno experience is not something you want to gain.

Is the feeling limited to the nipple area only or spread out more around the chest? Progesterone nipple hardness and erection will only be felt in the nipple area. Gyno symtoms can be anywhere in the breast, although the nipple is usually where it occurs most frequently.

Don't go overboard on the AI. It will not get rid of progesteron symtoms. And if you take too much you cause yourself other issues.

There really is only one way to know for sure . . . get some blood work done. You can get just an ultasensative E2 test done pretty cheaply through some place like the online labs.

**Viking13** · 09-04-2012, 01:03 PM

It's around the nipple area and when erect it has the weird feeling. Any suggestions in regards to ai or nolvadex ? I will get bloodwork done prob next week. And what gets rid of the progesterone ,nolvadex?

**Viking13** · 09-04-2012, 07:09 PM

So any opinions if I should just up the ai dosage and discontinue nolva? Any advise is greatly appreciated

**kelkel** · 09-04-2012, 08:32 PM

Like GNBM said. BW is key here. What are your T levels running at on 200 a week as it is a high end dosage? Have your considered titrating back a bit also? Other than that you may be better off at .25 AI x 3 per week. Just won't know w/o BW! Nolva won't hurt you for a short period to keep issues in check until you get a handle on the E.

**flatscat** · 09-04-2012, 10:58 PM

^^^yep

I think most all of us have experienced that feeling at one time or another. Don't freak out bro.

**HRTstudent** · 09-05-2012, 01:30 PM

You almost certainly won't get true gyno from just a couple days of elevated E2. While it could be in your head... it could also just be happening.

For some people, like me, we just need more E2 control than others.

Do you have low SHBG?

**Viking13** · 09-05-2012, 06:08 PM

I plan to get more blood work done in the next 2 weeks. Sooner than later. My fear is that my e2 will be skewed because of this incident. Since taking .25 of arimidex and 2 days of 40mgs of nolvadex the sensitivity has decreased and has felt mostly normal. Now I'm not sure when I should return to 3x a week of arimidex and stop the nolva. Suggestions?

**MickeyKnox** · 09-05-2012, 06:17 PM

200mg of what?

and yes blood work is key. if it were me and i just saw results with what you just did, i would decrease nolva to 10/day for next 5 days and continue dex at .25eod for the remainder of your cycle. adjust if necessary.

**Viking13** · 09-05-2012, 07:04 PM

200mg of test cyp. I was thinking about the same going back to every other day with arimidex . I did feel a little sensitivity in my left nipple when it was every other day, but I think .5 seems like a bit much every other day. And yes, bloodwork is coming for sure.

**MickeyKnox** · 09-05-2012, 07:11 PM

there are protocols that recommend 10mg of nolva ed on cycle (along with an AI) for ultra gyno sensitive aas users, but off the top of my head i don't recall exactly what it is. if you do a search here im confident you will find something.

**kelkel** · 09-05-2012, 09:14 PM

Mickey your correct. Case in point: My E runs steady low at 15-16 on a sensitive assay confirmed by testing three months in a row. Yet, I still on occasion have sensitive nips. My doc says it's really not that unusual. He also nicely prescribes me Nolva just in case.

**Viking13** · 09-05-2012, 09:18 PM

Interesting kel and mick, I think I may have panicked a bit. I just didn't want to get gyno in any fashion. I'll back off the ai to every other day and back the nolva down as well and taper off. I'll also try and find some protocols in the site and see what they say.

**HRTstudent** · 09-05-2012, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Viking13

200mg of test cyp. I was thinking about the same going back to every other day with arimidex. I did feel a little sensitivity in my left nipple when it was every other day, but I think .5 seems like a bit much every other day. And yes, bloodwork is coming for sure.

It sounds like you just need to figure out how much AI you actually need. If the gyno symptoms are gone then you can get off the tamoxifen , but then slightly increase the AI dose. Its a lot of trial and error with anastrozole... I'm still trying to figure mine out as well.