12 Week Blood Work Results

[HealthyMan]

This is at 12 Weeks. I am 5'9". I now weigh 190 which is about a 15 pound muscle gain in 12 weeks. I am much bigger now. I hit the gym 5 times a week and eat well. Let me know how my BW looks fellas.

My protocol is:
Testosterone Cypionate , 100mg/mweeklyl (Sunday)
HCG , 250 IU twice a week (Friday & Saturday)

My pre test BW for Test only:

Testosterone , Serum: 205 Range: 348-1197
Testosterone Free: 5.9 Range: 8.7-25.1

Truth to be told, I had coffee that morning but hadn't ate anything for about 12 hours prior to the BW. I also had sex that morning which the instructions said not to the day of the blood work. Also, and I asked previous but for full disclosure pinned my hCG that morning about 4 hours prior to the blood work.

[HEVEW8]

Just curious, did you fast for 12hr before the blood draw?

[HealthyMan]

Just curious, did you fast for 12hr before the blood draw?

Yes, but had coffee.

[Brohim]

how do you feel physically and mentally? I would assume you feel great with free test at top of range when before it was below range. Does your doc prescribe an AI?

[HealthyMan]

how do you feel physically and mentally? I would assume you feel great with free test at top of range when before it was below range. Does your doc prescribe an AI?

Physically I feel like I'm 18. My gym experience has gotten better with each day. Bench was at 180 12 weeks ago and now I am at 315. Mentally I think I am on the verge of feeling better where I am at with my protocol.

[Brohim]

Glad you are feeling better. Your e2 is creeping up there but everything else looks good. Your IGF-1 is great for your age. What day was your blood drawn?

[HealthyMan]

Glad you are feeling better. Your e2 is creeping up there but everything else looks good. Your IGF-1 is great for your age. What day was your blood drawn?

On a Friday. My concern is gyno, it was said on these forums that: For gyno , it takes E2 + IGF -1 + progesterone to produce gyno and gyno symptoms. My IGF is through the roof it seems.

[HealthyMan]

I don't know why my Bilirubin is on the high end. I did have a glass of scotch the night before.

[Brohim]

On a Friday. My concern is gyno, it was said on these forums that: For gyno , it takes E2 + IGF -1 + progesterone to produce gyno and gyno symptoms. My IGF is through the roof it seems.

Usually you get itchy or sore nipples before gyno comes along. It is mostly E2 related as Test by itself doesn't usually raise progesterone but I could be wrong. I would ask your doc for an AI such as Adex if you start getting gyno symptoms.

[Brohim]

I don't know why my Bilirubin is on the high end. I did have a glass of scotch the night before.

On your next blood draw don't consume any alcohol the night before and go in completely fasted (only water). I also will take off from the gym a few day's prior to going and abstain from ejaculation as well.

[HealthyMan]

On your next blood draw don't consume any alcohol the night before and go in completely fasted (only water). I also will take off from the gym a few day's prior to going and abstain from ejaculation as well.

What line items are you concerned with pertaining to fasting? Also, what results are affected by going to the gym. So no sex for at least 1 day prior?

[bass]

your BW looks good with the exception of your E2. BTW, control yourself next time and really fast for your BW, no coffee or anything at all maybe except for water , seriously, the slightest thing you put in your stomach can through things off.

[HealthyMan]

your BW looks good with the exception of your E2. BTW, control yourself next time and really fast for your BW, no coffee or anything at all maybe except for water , seriously, the slightest thing you put in your stomach can through things off.

I'm assuming the Estradiol being 59 is a little high? I am considering changing my pinning to E3D for Test. I am not on any AI. I really should of fasted and not had sex that morning but honestly, I didn't know I had to abstain.

Bass - I'd like to get into the 1100 range for Test-Serum. Whereas my Test-Free is high, what can I do to get to 1100 but not throw off all my other results? The reason is I feel ok, but believe I could feel much better at a higher level. I've raised my test by a 1/3 so not bad for 12 weeks.

[bass]

to be honest your total is more than enough, and you got plenty of free T which what your body uses. unfortunately i don't know how you can raise your TT without raising your FT, i am in the same boat, but raising your total will raise your E2 even more, in fact if you lower your E2 it will raise your total T! so get AI and take 0.25 mg per week, it doesn't look like you need whole lot to bring e2 down.

[HealthyMan]

Bass,

I could get an AI but was trying to limit anything additional in my body. What are you thoughts on changing up my pinning? I pin my hCG in the side of my quad, right in the muscle and my test is in my buttock using 1/2" needles. So not sure if im doing it IM or SQ there.

[Brohim]

Changing your pinning won't have any effect on serum test levels. If you pin more test your E2 will go up. I'm not sure how you would get 1100 TT without using AI.

Some guys get 1100 #'s using Transdermals such as compounded test cream w/ out an AI. But if you are feeling great with your current #'s that is what counts the most. Going higher sometimes doesn't increase the benefit's and in some cases can make you feel worse.

[HealthyMan]

so get AI and take 0.25 mg per week, it doesn't look like you need whole lot to bring e2 down.

What brand and dose should I request?

[bass]

I agree with Brohim regarding serum levels, however splitting your dose to twice a week can manage your e2 conversion better, less spikes=less e2 conversion. most here do twice a week and take very little AI as apposed to doing it once a week we were on higher dose AI. it looks like you're not aggressive converter, so splitting your dose maybe all you need to bring that e2 down a little.

[HealthyMan]

I agree with Brohim regarding serum levels, however splitting your dose to twice a week can manage your e2 conversion better, less spikes=less e2 conversion. most here do twice a week and take very little AI as apposed to doing it once a week we were on higher dose AI. it looks like you're not aggressive converter, so splitting your dose maybe all you need to bring that e2 down a little.

Can I get a little clarification on my IGF and DHT levels. Both are high, good, bad, adjust? What do those items actually do for my body?

[bass]

What brand and dose should I request?

most here use anastrozole, aromasin is better if you can get it but its more expensive.

[bass]

igf is great! DHT I'd bring it down unless you don't care getting bold!

[HealthyMan]

igf is great! DHT I'd bring it down unless you don't care getting bold!

Bold or Bald? I want my hair, so if thats what you meant, how do I lower it?

[bass]

haha, you know what i meant! i don't know how you lower it, i really never paid attention to it since mine been very low and i am bAld anyway!

[xcraider37]

Bold or Bald? I want my hair, so if thats what you meant, how do I lower it?

imo your E2 considering you did the lapcorp sensitive is extremely high, work on getting that down. Surprised your Dick is working, but not everyone is sensitive to the effects of high e2. Better for your prostate longterm to get that closer or under 30. The range lab corp uses is crazy really 3 to 70. No man wants e2 of 3 or 70, we want 15 to 30ish. Just my lab corp rant for the day.

[bass]

imo your E2 considering you did the lapcorp sensitive is extremely high, work on getting that down. Surprised your Dick is working.

its not that far off, to experience ED problems his levels has to go beyond the range and for a long period of time.

[xcraider37]

its not that far off, to experience ED problems his levels has to go beyond the range and for a long period of time.

I disagree but what do I know. Have a good day. BTW bald is bold.

[kelkel]

Clear this up. Your injecting 1ml of cyp once a week. Cyp usually comes at 200mg per ml. Are you doing 100 mg or 200mg per week?

About your BW:

DHT is above range but is not really that big of an issue unless your prone to MPB. All testosterone converts to DHT in the body via the 5AR enzyme. This enzyme lives throughout the body and has a high concentration in the scalp. So, if prone to MPB it could happen. Key word there is "prone." DHT is far more powerful than test and Dr. Crisler will tell you that there really is no perfect range. It's all based on how you feel.

Usually gels will spike up DHT levels and when people switch to injections it drops quickly (mine did) to a normal level. Good DHT levels relate to a good sex drive, better strength gains, etc. DHT can actually help your prostrate, not hurt it as old school thinking was. But, if you think you have an issue with it then Saw Palmetto can help decrease the conversion of T to DHT. If you have a hair issue look into a form of E called Tocotreienols which can slow it down and help hair growth.

Your pushing the edge of the envelope with your lipids. Your body has to adjust to these new levels so keep an eye on things. Cardio, improve diet maybe.

E2 is high. Nice to see the correct test performed! LEF foundation will recommend a level between 20-30. Read this:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/...ing-Men_01.htm

You can consider the supplement DIM to help lower it naturally but I'd probably opt for Arimidex at a low dose like Bass said. Maybe .25 x 2 per week and retest for it in a month and adjust. Switching pinning to every 3.5 days will help here as referenced above. Less T injected = lower E spike = less AI needed. Less is more here. Also consider taking Calcium D Glucarate as it will help absorb excess estrogen as well. I've had E2 at less than 3 before. It sucked. Regarding gyno. You have to have high E to get gyno, pretty much regardless of what else is high such as progesterone / prolactin levels.

T serum is mid-range maybe a little lower but as stated your Free T is great. Free is where we get the bang for our buck, so to speak. There is no need to try to increase your serum level whatsoever. Consider yourself lucky here. 1100 is just a number. It's how you feel.

Thyroid is ok. TSH fine. T4 is best mid-range. T3 uptake good.

Pinning. Use a 1" pin (suggest 25ga) for glute injection. HCG you can pin IM or SQ. SQ is easy in the fat pad a few inches from your belly button. Try your T injections SQ as well. Very easy.

Be careful with your rapid strength gains. Your tendons and ligaments need time to acclimate to this. Rapidly pushing the weight up is the road to a workout ending injury IMO.

IGF level is one I'm jealous of. Higher levels both in blood and intracellularly can increase E2 levels. I'd take the risk.

I'm sure I'm forgetting something but I hope it helps. Give your body time to find homeostasis. Jump on that E2 level.

kel

[HealthyMan]

I'm sorry, its 100mg of Test C per week.

[HealthyMan]

Kelkel,

Thanks for the response. I just have a few questions.

I feel good for the most part. However, I think the higher level of E2 is messing with me in the form of ED or just not able to finish. This has been more recently in the last 3 weeks I've noticed. So I'm not going to mess around and will ask for an AI immediately. Are these AI's in a pill or injection? I have a high DHT and I do have the sex drive, it's just some random ED issues.

With a high DHT I am concerned about MPB, but I am not prone to it. I've always had a full head of hair and my father still does at 60. I'm afraid it will fall out as a result of all of this. Will an AI assist in decreasing this or is what you recommended the best in your experience?

Why is my IGF level appealing? What does having a high level mean exactly?

[kelkel]

Symptoms of both high and low E can do just that to you. It's called anorgasmia. Anastrazol (generic for Arimidex ) comes in pill form if you're getting a prescription. As was mentioned, talk to your doc and I would not go over .25 x 2 per week. If splitting your injections take it 24 hrs after each pin. If you cannot get it prescribed ARR has a liquid version called liquidex which will do the trick as well. Remember when you lower your E your T will rise as well so an adjustment may have to be made. It takes time to get dialed in so be patient.

Your DHT is not really that high. Ride it out and monitor it on future BW or you can try some of the protocols mentioned previously. IGF1 levels are used by docs to determine GH deficiency, which you don't have. It stands for Insulin -like Growth Factor 1. Basically a whole bunch of amino acids that help with anabolic activity in your body.