Does anyone go to Dr Crisler

[Doug350SD]

Looking for input, not having the best of luck here in New Hampshire finding doctors that are familiar with proper protocols, my pcp does not deal with hcg , or ai's.

I thought I may have found a doctor to work with me, as in our first visit she was very receptive and all about the protocols discussed here as I described them to her and gave her my last 4 years of no progress.
She gives me a saliva test to take and sets me up to come back in 6 weeks... Well I go back and within the first 10 minute she's starts on I have some great supplements for you to take, I was so upset..

I stated to her that she basically was a thief, that she had pulled the old bait and switch on me just to get me back in her office for yet another fee and then push her herbs on me....

These doctors I thought had ethics.

I am now at the point I am willing to travel to Dr Crisler if that is the only way to get on proper protocol... So any personal experiences are very welcome...

Thanks .. Doug

[steroid.com 1]

Dr. Crisler is one option and you have many more.

Go to the sticky at the top of the forum and look for an A4M Doc near you.

Check this out: http://www.longevity-and-antiaging-s...g-doctors.html

You need an MD and not a Naturopath.

[Times Roman]

Nope

[Doug350SD]

Thanks GD, I am just frustrated, after dealing soo long I've tried endo at top hospital and gt no where, my doc, and yes a naturopath, just looking to get things proper..

I think I will call a couple on the link you posted, one in Manchester is within 10 minutes of me.

Now that I am on the injections this week will be my 5th shot, I am starting to have more drive longer into the day. I just don't want to go backwards as my estrogen will obviously start to climb now....

Edit: called the 3 md's on list, dr Mohammed said e no longer does this work, the number to Dr Kroll is disconnected and the Dr Webber did not answer but has a home answering machine.... Ugh...

[bca]

i am having the same problems as you are and will be following this post closely.
most Dr. just want your money. just in the last few weeks i have spent $ 900 on a Dr. who dosent give a shit.

[HRTstudent]

Looking for input, not having the best of luck here in New Hampshire finding doctors that are familiar with proper protocols, my pcp does not deal with hcg , or ai's.

I thought I may have found a doctor to work with me, as in our first visit she was very receptive and all about the protocols discussed here as I described them to her and gave her my last 4 years of no progress.
She gives me a saliva test to take and sets me up to come back in 6 weeks... Well I go back and within the first 10 minute she's starts on I have some great supplements for you to take, I was so upset..

I stated to her that she basically was a thief, that she had pulled the old bait and switch on me just to get me back in her office for yet another fee and then push her herbs on me....

These doctors I thought had ethics.

I am now at the point I am willing to travel to Dr Crisler if that is the only way to get on proper protocol... So any personal experiences are very welcome...

Thanks .. Doug

I know where you are at. It sucks. There are no two ways about it.

Worst part is there are more doctors who know nothing about low T who are willing to treat it than there are doctors who know TRT and are willing to treat it.

Spend time on google using intricate keywords to narrow it down. Find local medical schools who might have lots of research done on testosterone or urology departments who deal a lot with fertility (testosterone, clomid and HCG are their go-to drugs). Keep branching out if you get stuck.

It was hard, but I found a doctor who takes my insurance and knows something about TRT. Is he the best? Not by any means. But he knows a lot more about sex hormones and well-being than probably 95% of docs out there. And he thus far has not taken me through the ringer getting me to buy every supplement and gimmick out there. It's well worth the added drive time for me.

You might have to make phone calls as well. Ask if the doctors use the common drugs we all take. Don't be afraid to find out a doctor sucks before you waste your time and effort at an appointment. It's a fool's game.... trust me!

[rollingthunder]

in answer to the OPs title question, i do not go to dr crisler. i have read his paper on protocols, which is generally what most guys on the forum seem to be doing.

i have been on the HRT "learning path" for nearly 4 years now. (and i have learned much from this forum! thanks!) as i mentioned in a previous thread, each of us needs to take personal responsibility for our treatment. if you cannot get what you want from a particular doctor/clinic you can choose to see someone else. it can be a hassle, believe me, i know, but it can be done.

it seems that this is a common frustration of guys posting on this forum, and a reason why the forum sponsor is investigating the possibility of opening up their own clinic.

[Doug350SD]

I know where you are at. It sucks. There are no two ways about it.

Worst part is there are more doctors who know nothing about low T who are willing to treat it than there are doctors who know TRT and are willing to treat it.

Spend time on google using intricate keywords to narrow it down. Find local medical schools who might have lots of research done on testosterone or urology departments who deal a lot with fertility (testosterone, clomid and HCG are their go-to drugs). Keep branching out if you get stuck.

It was hard, but I found a doctor who takes my insurance and knows something about TRT. Is he the best? Not by any means. But he knows a lot more about sex hormones and well-being than probably 95% of docs out there. And he thus far has not taken me through the ringer getting me to buy every supplement and gimmick out there. It's well worth the added drive time for me.

You might have to make phone calls as well. Ask if the doctors use the common drugs we all take. Don't be afraid to find out a doctor sucks before you waste your time and effort at an appointment. It's a fool's game.... trust me!

I here you on looking in all nooks and crannies , I have done the Internet searches, called many doctors, even emailed the compounding pharmacies in my state for referrals , I do have afew left to call but after 4 years myself I just want to get back to a normalized feeling and know the things that need to be in check are..

[Doug350SD]

in answer to the OPs title question, i do not go to dr crisler. i have read his paper on protocols, which is generally what most guys on the forum seem to be doing.

i have been on the HRT "learning path" for nearly 4 years now. (and i have learned much from this forum! thanks!) as i mentioned in a previous thread, each of us needs to take personal responsibility for our treatment. if you cannot get what you want from a particular doctor/clinic you can choose to see someone else. it can be a hassle, believe me, i know, but it can be done.

it seems that this is a common frustration of guys posting on this forum, and a reason why the forum sponsor is investigating the possibility of opening up their own clinic.

It is the most frustrating thing I have had to deal with, probably even more not being at proper levels, the energy it takes to just try and keep motivated is doubled by the frustration of not being able to find a properly informed doctor...

In my trade if we don't keep up with the code changes and regulations we are held responsible for that, that's why we have continuing education that is required.. This should be for doctors also, if they are going to give you a script for test and send you home with needles, they should know the entire deal!!!

[TennTarheel]

Yeah, I just used that link to find the docs in TN. Called every single one on the list. Total bust

[steroid.com 1]

Guys - Use Google and type something like "anti aging clinics tennessee" and look at the results...it works.

[kelkel]

It's definitely a crap shoot but there are successes. When you do call an office get on the line with a nurse and interview them about the docs methodologies. If they don't fit, move on. Don't waste time with an appt. You can even stop in your local pharmacy and cozy up to the pharmacist, explain your concerns and see if they can direct you to a doc that treats accordingly.

kel

[bullshark99]

If all else fails type "anti aging clinics Florida" so you gotta buy a plane ticket once a year?? Were all price conscience, but too much BS in trying to train local Drs.

[HRTstudent]

If all else fails type "anti aging clinics Florida" so you gotta buy a plane ticket once a year?? Were all price conscience, but too much BS in trying to train local Drs.

For lots of people it is not just finding the clinic, but finding one that accepts your insurance as well and furthermore does not make you buy their drugs at inflated/non-insurance prices.

[rollingthunder]

You can even stop in your local pharmacy and cozy up to the pharmacist, explain your concerns and see if they can direct you to a doc that treats accordingly.

kel

this is a good point, kel. this is exactly how i found out about the doctor i started my HRT treatment with. i called a "compounding" pharmacy, asked to speak to a pharmacist and asked him if he could recommend a physician who was familiar with Hormone Replacement Therapy. he gave me a couple names and i took it from there.

[THE-DET-OAK]

For lots of people it is not just finding the clinic, but finding one that accepts your insurance as well and furthermore does not make you buy their drugs at inflated/non-insurance prices.

A lot of people say they are over paying, if you get a good clinic that offers you concierge service, why wouldn't you want to pay a little more? Your not buying the medication, you are paying for the service they provide, which as you can see is few and far between by the amount of complaints you will find about TRT doc's in general.

Besides the whole insurance band wagon is not for me, too many people still view TRT in a negative light, I would much rather pay for the services out of pocket and have my information protected by the 2009 hitech act.

Even if a provider accepts it, most of your meds can be rejected by the insurance company, because they are considered lifestyle medication's. My mom couldn't even get her estrogen covered using her GP, insurance is a joke, and not worth the hassle.

Just My 2 Cents

[marcus300]

A lot of people say they are over paying, if you get a good clinic that offers you concierge service, why wouldn't you want to pay a little more? Your not buying the medication, you are paying for the service they provide, which as you can see is few and far between by the amount of complaints you will find about TRT doc's in general.

Besides the whole insurance band wagon is not for me, too many people still view TRT in a negative light, I would much rather pay for the services out of pocket and have my information protected by the 2009 hitech act.

Even if a provider accepts it, most of your meds can be rejected by the insurance company, because they are considered lifestyle medication's. My mom couldn't even get her estrogen covered using her GP, insurance is a joke, and not worth the hassle.

Just My 2 Cents

Spoken like a true rep lol

[THE-DET-OAK]

Spoken like a true rep lol

Yes sir................. nothing wrong with believing in what you do.

On top of that, it is the truth.







*Edited*

You sir may want to watch your tone or you will not be around here long! *admin*

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[HRTstudent]

A lot of people say they are over paying, if you get a good clinic that offers you concierge service, why wouldn't you want to pay a little more? Your not buying the medication, you are paying for the service they provide, which as you can see is few and far between by the amount of complaints you will find about TRT doc's in general.

Besides the whole insurance band wagon is not for me, too many people still view TRT in a negative light, I would much rather pay for the services out of pocket and have my information protected by the 2009 hitech act.

Even if a provider accepts it, most of your meds can be rejected by the insurance company, because they are considered lifestyle medication's. My mom couldn't even get her estrogen covered using her GP, insurance is a joke, and not worth the hassle.

Just My 2 Cents

That's true for some people. But not everyone can afford to carry insurance and then go out and pay full-price for HRT on top of that. Insurance is a pain in the butt for sure, and I have heard bad stories. But really, I suppose because I was below range I am singing a different tune than someone who was like 100 points over the bottom of range and then their insurance fights them.

There are definitely docs out there who take insurance and know how to treat low T, but it's not the norm as you say.

I'll be the first to say that if I had the excess money I would have been to a non-insurance clinic a long time ago. Finding a decent doc was hard, and feeling abandoned by shitty docs felt even harder.

[THE-DET-OAK]

there you go Gdevine, just for you I am sure admin will still be able to see my post, at least I hope.

[steroid.com 1]

^^^^This rant needs to be removed; it unacceptable in this forum no matter what.

We don't speak or act like this in here EVER and there's no place for it.

Will an admin please remove this?

Thank you.

gd

[THE-DET-OAK]

Sometimes the truth hurts bro. People shouldn't throw stones when they live in a glass house. If you only knew the half of it.

[marcus300]

Sometimes the truth hurts bro. People shouldn't throw stones when they live in a glass house. If you only knew the half of it.

Truth lol, come on THE-DET-FRAUD If members want the truth I might awell direct them to the last time you was here and you was pretending to have this wisdom and knowledge but the truth was you was some newbie with zero experience with great copy and pasting skills. The reason why your p1ssed with staff is because we outed you and made you look stupid. Anyone can read the thread http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-of-tren/page5

You left in a hurry last time because of the embarrassment and now your back, I wonder why hahaha

I wouldnt trust anything you said and I am sure the members wont either

I'll leave you alone now and let the members make up their own mind by reading the abobe thread

[THE-DET-OAK]

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[marcus300]

I didn't leave in a hurry, i stuck around and you ****ing hated it. I actually stuck around for months, and watched your butt buddy get banned, and then when he trolled over to meso, i rolled his ass so many times he got banned form there. It drove you so mad that you resorted to sending your cronies out on the internet to spread rumors about me, and you whined like the cry baby you are to your admin everyday about me...... and as you can see i was never banned. yea it really hurt my reputation lol if you only knew............ your a pathetic disgrace to any man with integrity, shill.

your ancient history bro, thats why you have such a hard on for me

LMFAO, I am ancient and your a fraud lol

I've no idea what your talking about,you was good at making stories up last time.....all anyone needs to do is read the thread above lol

Can you please now let the thread get back on track

[THE-DET-OAK]

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[marcus300]

Here is a copy if the link isnt working -



A lot of our members do get curious when a new member joins and starts sprouting advice, a lot of our members will challenge you about how long have you been training and also your steroid experience. Please don't get discouraged with this but this happens a lot seeing that we are the biggest steroid forum on the net we do seem to attract many parrots who have an odd desire to post other peoples advice, strange but true.

To me you seem to be fitting well into the new parrot member, but please if I am wrong I apologise but let me explain why I am thinking this way. I would first like to take you to your first thread on another site in 2009 were you state and I quote " I have been lifting for a year now"

THE-DET-OAK
04-02-2009

I am 29yrs 6'2 220.8lbs 20% bodyfat. I have been lifting for a year now. I having been thinking long and hard for three months and have decided to do my first cycle. I have a diet in place. It is what I should be eating just not always when I should be eating it because of work and I am single dad, it is sometimes hard to get all food prep done to take to work with me. I work out with my roomate who has been into building for 4 years and we came up with a routine that seems to be working well for me. The majority of my bodyfat is around my waist it has been that way since I was seven. Even football for 4 years in high school didn't take that away. So this is what I have came up with:
1-10 test e(amps) 500mgs/week-shot once a week
12-15nolvadex pct 40/40/20/20

I am worried about gyno cause of my bodyfat. So what I need to know is about the signs of it-and in detail because I read about the itchy nips and the swelling but will i know? Is it real Itchy? Is the hard palet under nips easy to notice or do i have to pay really close attention? Are there any other signs? If i do notice it can i just use the nolva-to block? Do i need to get some adex to reduce the level of estrogen if this occurs? or can i take nolva until signs subside?

Thanks for your input it will be much appreciated.

You also stated on this thread on this board that, and I quote " I have also worked with many, many patients on TRT" this indicates to our members your working with trt patients ie Doctor of some kind and it doesn't mean your a receptionist at a HRT clinic, I quote -

I agree that aromasin is the best AI to use. even @ 25mg ED studies have shown, on men, to keep E2 within range. Although .25mg ED is too much of letro is too much. .625mg E3D works fine for most, I have also worked with many, many patients on TRT and this dose work just fine, even with bloodwork to prove it.

Yet 12 months ago on your other board you started this thread " what are the downsides to TRT" and I quote " beside the not having kids part, what are the downsides?"

03-16-2010
THE-DET-OAK
Besides the having kids part, what are the downsides? there has to be some negatives-but i cant seem to find them.

If your working with TRT patients like you said surely you would know the downsides, also you would know what you asked in this thread

08-30-2010
THE-DET-OAK
Masteron - how much should I run?

so im on prop @ 150 EOD. m gonna start some halotestin in a couple days.

how much mast prop should i run? 100mg EOD?

im not worried about getting hard from it, i want to use it for its SHBG effects

I guess now you know why I am thinking your just another parrot with zero experience or knowledge,and before you start saying that this person isn't you but as the same screen name you did state on a thread on this forum and I quote

THE-DET-OAK
I have never been banned form any forum ever. I post mostly on ology and am in good standing. Im a mod on another board, and frequent a few others, nice try though. and please point out my bad...

Oh and you also said you did you first steroid cycle with 20% bf which fits perfectly into your stats on the first quote who happens to have the same screen name and the same board you said you was from!! you also started your 2nd cycle on 11/15 as explained in your thread and I quote -

12-17-2009
THE-DET-OAK
will I get bigger on this cycle?
so far im having a great cycle-i started on 11/15. I have gained 21 lbs already-and strenght and stamina are through the roof. i started at 219-now im 240. my bf% is prob down a lil-and im feeling lean and mean.

As of Monday I will have one more week of the DBol. i have stopped the prop. My question is-will i still gain by adding the NPP? i wouldn't mind going all the way to 250 on this cycle. ive just heard soooo many people say you can only gain so much on 1 cycle-so im starting to wonder if i will be waisting the NPP since I have already gained 21 LBS.

That's were I took your threads and posts from the board you mentioned above. I could post more of your threads what you have started (which I am sure you wouldn't like) which would show you asking very simple steroid questions and asking for basic information, thus my thinking your just a parrot with a couple of cycles under your belt with around 3 yrs worth of training who is on TRT due to your idiotic cycling.

3yrs training, 2 cycles = parrot

I think I should ignore your post from now on otherwise I wouldnt be able to hold back.....best of luck to you lol

[ZenFitness]

To the OP, have you tried local urologists? When I suspected low T due to lack of muscle development and some mild ED issues, I went straight to the uro who did my vasectomy a few years back. He immediately indicated it was probably low T and tested me right away. Granted, he won't do hCG at all, but he does allow me to pick the test treatment I want (I did testopel first and now do test cyp injections) and he treats high estrogen levels from TRT. So maybe he's 75% of what I want, but that is a passing score. Testopel was a fortune, but now I spend $10 for 20 week's worth of test at the pharmacy now. I have a $50 copay on doctor visits, but he doesn't charge for a blood draw (except for the blood work itself).

My point here is call your local urologists and even ask your GP for a referral (my GP is actually willing to treat low T, too).

[HRTstudent]

To the OP, have you tried local urologists? When I suspected low T due to lack of muscle development and some mild ED issues, I went straight to the uro who did my vasectomy a few years back. He immediately indicated it was probably low T and tested me right away. Granted, he won't do hCG at all, but he does allow me to pick the test treatment I want (I did testopel first and now do test cyp injections) and he treats high estrogen levels from TRT. So maybe he's 75% of what I want, but that is a passing score. Testopel was a fortune, but now I spend $10 for 20 week's worth of test at the pharmacy now. I have a $50 copay on doctor visits, but he doesn't charge for a blood draw (except for the blood work itself).

My point here is call your local urologists and even ask your GP for a referral (my GP is actually willing to treat low T, too).

Good point, and I try to stress to people to pursue internists and urologists when it comes to TRT. The public is led to believe TRT is right up the alley of endocrinoloists, but they are too caught up in diabetes and thyroid to know anything more than a few genetic androgen-related diseases.

[Doug350SD]

I had not thought of my urologist, and as for endocrinologist, I had my fill of that... When I went to the area specialist, not five seconds into our first meeting he asks like five questions and then states you have been misdiagnosed ... I was like huh? You have known me for 10 minutes and are telling me that my doctor of 20 years has misdiagnosed me? Tells me to stop gel ASAP and come back in three months.. So I do, have blood drawn and he only test for free t, came back at 249. He says see you don't need treatment you are fine you have test in you system... Needless to say I asked him about other levels and bang instant he went right on the defense and told me he did not need to see me again I am good....

Just another horror story..

But back to subject, I am really surprised that out of all these members not one has or is being treated by Crisler... Out of all this I do have a very good referral and intend to follow up with it.. I am just ready to be on track.

[ZenFitness]

I live in Texas... no need to go all the way to Crisler. He's not the only game in town

[HRTstudent]

I live in Texas... no need to go all the way to Crisler. He's not the only game in town

What notable HRT docs are in Texas if you don't mind sharing?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I am in no way an expert But I do have life lived experience Although new to this FORUM I feel the need to share the effects of over dosing and abuse with the young and stupid What I post is not guessing it is life learned facts and I have paid a price so have mercy on me or tell me to stop posting and just learn ?

I was doing what the real pros on this forum recommend ; I was searching the Internet and stumbled across this Forum ! The best thing to ever happen to me ! I don't want to be thought of as a ? " parrot " I guess what some Forums call a Troll ? So I will offer my 2 cents on this thread and any experienced member who wants to PM me feel welcome to !

I had figured out some of the advise offered such as call and ask direct questions that is IMO the best advise of a;; to start with ! Funny thing is the last person I called was the easiest; my GP that I have had for 2 years the way Ins. is you have to change docs all the time now ! I am 100% disabled and use a medicare replacement Ins Comp. So I am sure it is not top tier ! I called my GP and told him that my Ins would cover injectables easier than they would gel and his reply was no problem come on in. I had a similiar experience as one of the previous posters. I printed the whole sticky about the different types of Testostero. I took it with me and I have record braking Low T (78) I am 53 and now that I know the Low T has been destroying my life for the past 15 yeats and sever trama + pain managment. To much trama to even go into ! We sat dow and went down the list and he knew Sust was not available in the US but he was aware of what a great combo it was he even said he wished he could perscribe that for me to be faster acting and the change to Cyp or Enath either one wag fine with him. He wanted to get something fast acting in me so bad that he got on the phone and called around trying to find Propn8 & Testlent But the only thing in a 50 mile radius of Canton North Ga was Cyp 200mL 10cc (old sckool) I ask him about HCG and I have used in before but he didn't say no he just said come bacl on 01-03-13 for blood work and we would see what the #'s were and go from there He may have to send me to the local endo. So 2 mths of cyp at .5cc every week or .25 every 4th day later own , makes me wonder what my blood will look like next year ?

But let the phone be your tool and be an educated person know what to ask for and knowing when to not even bother with an appointment. I don't know where I will go from here not sure if HCG would even have any effect on my since I am practly test shut down level. I have already abused a good medication to the point of surgey for gynomastia. So I really look forward to seeing my blood work in Jan. Most of all don't give up and don't cheat and start to young ! You will pay the price . I may be 1 in a hundred with extremely Low T and my treatment will really be something to watch. I am already seeking another doctor to go to the next level , because I have been to this Endo for Diabeties and I am now metbolic Syndrom but his office was packed and he was seeing people like he was a GP and all the mountain people were in his office and he was very knowledgable about blood work but he didn't mention my Low T when I went to see him nor did the doc I was seeing 2 years ago previous to the one I have now>

Help is out there YOU just have to dig and never give up ! Keep looking until you find the doctor who knows as much as you atleast and more would really be a plus . . . lol that is sad ! I have found a start to the path to stablization if this doctor will be willing to complete the journey ? I don't know ! But I am already seeking another doc and I have 2 months to find one.

[TennTarheel]

Bro, it's like a book every post!