Update on gyno symptoms- following Letro/ Tamox since Fri- Question too

**harley121** · 11-05-2012, 05:06 PM

Just a quick update and a question- I took the great advice I was given here- have been on TRT for almost a year, had protruding and sensitive nipples and the beginning of what felt like a small fatty lump that was sore when you pushed on it under left nipple.
I have taken Letro @ .5 mg EOD and am following the 40mg/20/20... protocol for liquid Tamox starting on Friday. Anyways, I pinned my 100mg on Sat. of Test. C and by today, my nipples normally would be very bad, like if a sheet or Tee shirt touching them would be very uncomfortable. I won't say they are fully back to normal, but they are fully 80%- (measured w/ my nipple sensitivity tester!) better than they were up until last week. They are not as sensitive, not protruding as much and it seems like the little lump that was starting dosent hurt hardly at all when you push on it.
My question is I really don't want to take all these chemicals if I don't need to and was going to run the Letro for 10 days and drop it and continue on the Tamox- Can I drop the Tamox down a bit sooner- say to 20mg like now for a week then 10mg after? Also, how long do I need to stay on the Tamox? Will this come back when I stop taking it?

**HealthyMan** · 11-05-2012, 09:46 PM

Have you considered taking your Test E3D's Sub-Q? Less spikes and valleys and many are going that route to lessen or completely avoid an AI. May help with your E issue.

**harley121** · 11-06-2012, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by HealthyinNH

Have you considered taking your Test E3D's Sub-Q? Less spikes and valleys and many are going that route to lessen or completely avoid an AI. May help with your E issue.

The funny thing is my E2 level was 20 which is very good. I am having blood work done at the end of this month and getting everything tested- Progesterone, etc. that my Dr. didn't have run nor did I know to have run prior to finding this awesome site. Any thoughts given that low E2 level?

**harley121** · 11-06-2012, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by HealthyinNH

Have you considered taking your Test E3D's Sub-Q? Less spikes and valleys and many are going that route to lessen or completely avoid an AI. May help with your E issue.

But yes I have thought about it and am reading about it and learning. I guess my brain is a little stuck back in the 90's when AAS were IM only- you got an abcess if you missed the muscle...So, just reading up on it. Makes alot of sense as my worse symptoms are about 2-3 days after the 100MG pin IM. If it was spread out 3x/ wk at 30mgish each, I could def. see that lessening the nipple issue

**HealthyMan** · 11-06-2012, 07:19 PM

Quite possibly that you being at 20 isn't your dialed in number. Maybe for some guys but there is something that is causing your gyno symptoms. I didn't have any gyno issues but I've changed to my test-c E3D's Sub-Q and I feel great!

**kelkel** · 11-06-2012, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by HealthyinNH

Have you considered taking your Test E3D's Sub-Q? Less spikes and valleys and many are going that route to lessen or completely avoid an AI. May help with your E issue.

^^Great advice.

Op, what is your complete protocol? Any AI or HCG ? If your E2 runs at 20 and is steady there then you don't need one quite honestly. I would also get off the letro IMO. You're going to crash your E and it is seriously no fun. The nolva should do the trick for you. You can frontload it somewhat for a quicker response. Read this:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/96/1/15.full

and...

http://www.endotext.org/male/male14/male14.html

kel

**harley121** · 11-06-2012, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

^^Great advice.

Op, what is your complete protocol? Any AI or HCG ? If your E2 runs at 20 and is steady there then you don't need one quite honestly. I would also get off the letro IMO. You're going to crash your E and it is seriously no fun. The nolva should do the trick for you. You can frontload it somewhat for a quicker response. Read this:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/96/1/15.full

and...

http://www.endotext.org/male/male14/male14.html

kel

Thanks for the help. I just pin 100mg 1x/wk of test cyp. Thats all I have been doing till I found this site due to nipple issues. I have learned alot in the past few months.
So, my E2 was at 20 prior to starting any AI/ letro/ Tamox but I still had the beginning of Gyno. I didn't have my progesterone measured- ever, neither the Dr. or I knew to ask for it, am def. having it done end of month as one member suggested that Gyno = estridol, IGF and progesterone and he felt that the progesterone was the issue w/ the E2 being in good shape.
Im dropping the letro and will use just the tamox for a few weeks and see. The sensitivity is all but gone at this point so one or both of the liquids worked. As I mentioned, by today (tues) following a sat. IM pin of 100mg test c they would be very irritated, uncomortable, and hurt a bit and stuck out alot- like when your cold. Im going to need to convince the Dr. of the 3x/wk SubQ protocol. I think as others have suggested and Ive observed w/ lesser doses- I was on 200mg/ week- T was thru the roof and we just cut it back- it creates less sensitivity.