Help with results

**krugerr** · 11-23-2012, 06:15 AM

Hey there guys, I was suffering from some problems, went to the doctor and had a blood test, this morning I received the results. I called the surgery again when I got home, as SteM suggested, they wouldnt give me anymore information, but she said that they would send me the information via mail. So I am hoping to receive this sometime early next week.

Unfortunately he wouldn't give me a copy. Stupid NHS doctors. He told me everything was within range except testosterone .

Testosterone - 7.8 nmol/L (normal range is 10-25)
Free Testosterone - 208 ng/dl (Normal range 300-950)

Are these values of any use? I realise that I am supplying limted information. Im 23, 6'4", 240lbs at ~21% bodyfat.

I have another blood test on 11th December. He was talking about possibly prescribing the test gel. I will press to get more information from my doctor, but unfortunately Private care is out of the question, I just cannot afford to get a full blood test done. So I am having to rely on the NHS.

2011 - Sustanon , Deca , Test - I'm unsure of the doses as I just took 1ml of each a week. No PCT.
2012 - (April) - Test-E @300mg/week. Deca@ 250mg/week. PCT was Nolva 20/20/20/20.

I realise these were ridiculous courses. It was before I found these forums.

Regards
Krugerr

**Back In Black** · 11-23-2012, 07:16 AM

Dude, can you post your previous cycles and PCT details and when they were so these guts can better understand.

**krugerr** · 11-23-2012, 07:28 AM

Updated OP. Sorry SteM, didnt even think of posting that. Posting my previous courses makes me ashamed if how stupid they were.

**Back In Black** · 11-23-2012, 07:58 AM

We all do stupid things in our lives mate, at least you found us!

**HRTstudent** · 11-23-2012, 11:09 PM

Deca is a very very suppressive drug and has longlasting effects. It would not suprise me at all if it was still negatively impacting you.

The good news is that there are things you can do to bring up your testosterone . For starters, losing bodyfat is very proven to not only raise testosterone, but limit estradiol conversion, and its also good for physical and mental health. That's pretty easy.

Moreover, you could look into other avenues you may be lacking such as b12, folate, vitamin D, ferritin/iron, etc etc. These will all negatively impact your well being and very likely your T levels as well.

Lay off the self-treating though because you're doing far more harm than good.

I would not be looking into TRT if I was in your shoes, but I might consider low dose clomid therapy after talking it over with my doctor.

**krugerr** · 11-24-2012, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by HRTstudent

Deca is a very very suppressive drug and has longlasting effects. It would not suprise me at all if it was still negatively impacting you.

The good news is that there are things you can do to bring up your testosterone . For starters, losing bodyfat is very proven to not only raise testosterone, but limit estradiol conversion, and its also good for physical and mental health. That's pretty easy.

Moreover, you could look into other avenues you may be lacking such as b12, folate, vitamin D, ferritin/iron, etc etc. These will all negatively impact your well being and very likely your T levels as well.

Lay off the self-treating though because you're doing far more harm than good.

I would not be looking into TRT if I was in your shoes, but I might consider low dose clomid therapy after talking it over with my doctor.

Wow, fantastic post. Thank you buddy. I will talk to my doctor at my next appointment. Would herbal type things be of any benefit, like Tribulus and similar? Or are these gimics?
So you think my levels can be rectified without the need for TRT?
I've already been on top of the weightloss, I'm down by ~23lbs now.

Really appreciate your input buddy, thank you!

**Back In Black** · 11-24-2012, 11:34 AM

HRTstudent the OP has seen his GP here in the UK. I have an awful feeling he'll be recommended to take gels for 2 months and then, if his test goes up, to come off the gels. I doubt his GP will even really know what clomid is.

Kruger, I know you said you can't afford a TRT doctor but, if your GP is of no help, that would be your only option unless one of the guys here can talk you through self treatment but you'd probably need to pay for some private blood work before that could even begin to happen.

**krugerr** · 11-24-2012, 12:12 PM

I suppose the US and UK handle this different. So the gels are a temporary thing, what's the point, wouldn't that just be a temporary fix, as soon as I stopped the gel, my levels would return low.

I'm hoping to have a more indepth chat with my doctor about regular complete blood tests. If not, I may have to see if I can invest in private care. Or, worst case, try and self medicate using direction from here.

**Back In Black** · 11-24-2012, 12:22 PM

The gels should be for permanent use. Temp use may shut you down even more. I'm just speaking from my own, and some others, testimony on advice from the NHS. I was told by a breast clinic Dr that whey protein could give you gyno!!!

**krugerr** · 11-24-2012, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by SteM

The gels should be for permanent use. Temp use may shut you down even more. I'm just speaking from my own, and some others, testimony on advice from the NHS. I was told by a breast clinic Dr that whey protein could give you gyno!!!

I hope you walked out at that point!

**ma_fighter** · 11-24-2012, 06:09 PM

Omg...
It's like the bloody anti-doping propaganda they do over here. "Dont do protein powders, its the start on the way to steroids ! You're penis will shrink, and you will grow breast"
Government sponsored anti doping propaganda..

I've also had to headbutt with GP's for 5 frickin years before they'd even give me a Testosterone -test, which was low, as I alredy knew.
And the endo I finally got to see didn't even know how an ester affects testosterone release in an injectable test-compound.

I wish you the best of luck bro, don't give in if they're being stupid, make sure you get the treatment, and tests, you need.
/Maf

**honeyking** · 11-25-2012, 12:56 AM

Dude please post your cycle!! And if you still dont wana post it,just tell how was your PCT?? were Clomid.nolvadex and hcg in your cycle?

**lovbyts** · 11-25-2012, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by ma_fighter

Omg...
It's like the bloody anti-doping propaganda they do over here. "Dont do protein powders, its the start on the way to steroids! You're penis will shrink, and you will grow breast"
Government sponsored anti doping propaganda..

I've also had to headbutt with GP's for 5 frickin years before they'd even give me a Testosterone -test, which was low, as I alredy knew.
And the endo I finally got to see didn't even know how an ester affects testosterone release in an injectable test-compound.

I wish you the best of luck bro, don't give in if they're being stupid, make sure you get the treatment, and tests, you need.
/Maf

LOL Gateway drug.

Hell then Slushy or 7-11 Slurpi is a gateway to Margarita's and Afrin to coke. lol

Originally Posted by honeyking

Dude please post your cycle!! And if you still dont wana post it,just tell how was your PCT?? were Clomid.nolvadex and hcg in your cycle?

If you re read his first post he did post it to the best of his knowledge I believe.

Hopefully you can kick start you system like HRTstudent suggest. If youre not taking DHEA, Pregnenolone, Zinc and Vit D look into those also.

**honeyking** · 11-25-2012, 08:16 AM

@lovbyts yeah..i know about all these things and the cycle i am about start is :-

Wk 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate = 250mg twice/wk e3.5d
Wk 1-4 Dianabol (Dbol ) = 30mg/day
Wk 9-12 winny 50mg per day
Wk 1-12 Adex 0.5mg eod or as needed
Wk 1-14.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day before test injection.

PCT
Begins wk 15 to wk 19

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
3g DAA
tribulus

**krugerr** · 11-25-2012, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Hopefully you can kick start you system like HRTstudent suggest. If youre not taking DHEA, Pregnenolone, Zinc and Vit D look into those also.

Yea hopefully Lovbyt, im am looking into these alternatives, but I'm not going to do anything yet until I get another blood test done. Fingers crossed I get it fixed, its putting a lot of stress on my relationship right now, which is not what I need!

@HoneyKing, this isnt the thread to be posting your course questions in. Your other thread was full of people suggesting you dont start a course. I directed you to this thread so you could see the situation I am going through, and why you should listen to the vets. Not for cycling advice.

**honeyking** · 11-26-2012, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by krugerr

Yea hopefully Lovbyt, im am looking into these alternatives, but I'm not going to do anything yet until I get another blood test done. Fingers crossed I get it fixed, its putting a lot of stress on my relationship right now, which is not what I need!

@HoneyKing, this isnt the thread to be posting your course questions in. Your other thread was full of people suggesting you dont start a course. I directed you to this thread so you could see the situation I am going through, and why you should listen to the vets. Not for cycling advice.

yeah i know you are in prob but believe me your PCT was a disaster and my pCT is the acttuall pct which all run!

**lovbyts** · 11-26-2012, 03:01 AM

I think what honeyking is trying to say or suggest is maybe you should try to run a PCT again but this time a proper one. Maybe a good idea but I also agree wait until after the blood work is done. I also though he was just posting his cycle at first. Make sure you get your E2 levels checked and not just your test.

In the mean time look into getting some Viagra or Cialis. There is also liquid Cia ar-r sells.
You can add some natural supplements that might help like DHEA, Pregnenlone and zinc.

**krugerr** · 11-26-2012, 03:09 AM

Yea I have some Viagra, but it's not giving the effect I expected. Well, to be more specific, it's giving no effect. No raging hard-on for several hours. I get hard, finish, then it goes back to flaccid.
I'm a fan of the clomid idea, I get Zinc from my ZMA supplement. I could run HCG to try level out my HPTA, but my balls are up at normal size.
I'm not familiar with DHEA, /heads to google/

**lovbyts** · 11-26-2012, 03:12 AM

Read about DHEA and pregnenolone here.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...w#.ULMyQL_hxv8

**krugerr** · 11-26-2012, 03:35 AM

Thanks LovByts... Where the fuq do I find this supplement lol. Is it typically branded as something else? Or will I find it labled as DHEA? Health&Food shops, or is it something I'll need to ask my source about?

Quick google searches show it available from some websites Ive never seen/heard of before.

**lovbyts** · 11-26-2012, 03:56 AM

At most any vitamin store. Try to get the micronized DHEA and Pregnenlone. Personally I just order them from Amazon.
Take like 50 mg of each. The DHEA get it in 25 mg and take one in the morning and one in the evening.

**krugerr** · 11-26-2012, 04:08 AM

Ahh yea, perfect buddy! Found it, quite a few different brands up there, but thanks for the Amazon suggestion, I have never thought to look on there for supplements!

**lovbyts** · 11-26-2012, 04:12 AM

Yeah I use them off and on especially if they have fee shipping. I know the brands can get confusing but there are not as many who make the micronized so that narrows it down a bit.