Natural ways to lower E2??

[suprarob]

Since my TRT doc is denying anything for my Testes and E2 I have set another appointment for another Dr. Question i have is in the meantime is there anything I can do to lower "naturally" E2 and help with Testes shrinkage?

[JohnnyVegas]

My doctor had me try zinc once when my E2 was creeping up, but I don't remember the dose. I moved to injecting more frequently and that dropped my E2 so I didn't need to continue with the zinc.

You can purchase liquidex from AR-R . It isn't natural, but you don't need to go through your doctor for it.

I got nothin' for testicular atrophy.

[Allaaro]

Maca actually lowered my E2 slightly. Its cheap to buy, taking 3g's per day. Probably stop though since it increased my BP slightly. Although I'd suggest getting some bloodwork to see what helps. I personally dislike liquid adex....if you choose to and have the capabilities, get ugl adex tabs/capsules.

But more importantly, don't be messing with shit if your still trying to get a doctor...you don't want to get to him and be like....I played doctor myself and now good luck helping me since it will be much harder.

[bass]

yes splitting the does dose help manage e2 better. not sure but i keep reading that Saw Palmetto helps lower e2 as well. BTW, these supplements may work for managing e2 if your test dose is within 100-120 mgs per week, if you're doing anything more most lickely you will need AI. hCG is teh only thing we know that can prevent testecular atrophy. you can buy it online form overseas, mine was brand name (organon) and its 100% pharma grade. they will even write a script for you for few $$.

[Rusty11]

2+ months ago, my estradiol (regular, not the sensitive test) was at 47. I took 100 mg of DIM each day. Just had BW done a week ago. It now lies at 24. I originally didn't have any testes shrinkage, or any other symptom for that matter. To be honest, it lowered the estradiol, but my sex drive took a bit of a hit, so I have discontinued and things are getting back to "normal". I guess I should get the sensitive assay. My endo and GP both told me that with a level of 47, there was no issue. Maybe there wasn't, but I took the DIM anyway. Maybe it will help you. It's cheap. Good luck

[suprarob]

2+ months ago, my estradiol (regular, not the sensitive test) was at 47. I took 100 mg of DIM each day. Just had BW done a week ago. It now lies at 24. I originally didn't have any testes shrinkage, or any other symptom for that matter. To be honest, it lowered the estradiol, but my sex drive took a bit of a hit, so I have discontinued and things are getting back to "normal". I guess I should get the sensitive assay. My endo and GP both told me that with a level of 47, there was no issue. Maybe there wasn't, but I took the DIM anyway. Maybe it will help you. It's cheap. Good luck

I think I will order some from Amazon. Can't hurt that's for sure. Thanks for the tip cause I hate veggies. lol

[suprarob]

Maca actually lowered my E2 slightly. Its cheap to buy, taking 3g's per day. Probably stop though since it increased my BP slightly. Although I'd suggest getting some bloodwork to see what helps. I personally dislike liquid adex....if you choose to and have the capabilities, get ugl adex tabs/capsules.

But more importantly, don't be messing with shit if your still trying to get a doctor...you don't want to get to him and be like....I played doctor myself and now good luck helping me since it will be much harder.

Good point. I will go natural until I reach a doc though. Don't see how that can hurt.

[suprarob]

Maca actually lowered my E2 slightly. Its cheap to buy, taking 3g's per day. Probably stop though since it increased my BP slightly. Although I'd suggest getting some bloodwork to see what helps. I personally dislike liquid adex....if you choose to and have the capabilities, get ugl adex tabs/capsules.

But more importantly, don't be messing with shit if your still trying to get a doctor...you don't want to get to him and be like....I played doctor myself and now good luck helping me since it will be much harder.

Can you elaborate a little more about the tabs?

[kelkel]

UGL = Undergroung Lab. Adex = Arimidex which is a prescription aromatase inhibitor.

[JohnnyVegas]

UGL = Undergroung Lab. Adex = Arimidex which is a prescription aromatase inhibitor.

And UGL means they are coming from someone shady. OP, you don't sound like you are ready to go searching for an illegal drug source...especially for something you can by safely and easily. Just purchase from AR-R if you want an AI. Same drug. No legal hassles.

[HRTstudent]

Since my TRT doc is denying anything for my Testes and E2 I have set another appointment for another Dr. Question i have is in the meantime is there anything I can do to lower "naturally" E2 and help with Testes shrinkage?

DIM, calcium d glucarate, zinc, lowering bodyfat, more frequent AND smaller injections, lower overall dose of T weekly, possibly taking in less environmental and phytoestrogens, etc etc... few big threads on this topic actually.

The best thing for immediate results would obviously be less testosterone .

[suprarob]

Why is there not a "thank you" button on this forum?

[steroid.com 1]

From a personal perspective I don't think any "natural" AI is going to provide the effects that a prescribed AI will ever do...I've just never seen it.

Sure, HRT hits on it well and if you can't get a prescription it's the only alternative...but think about if for a moment...if natural substances worked to any degree why are most of us taking a prescribed AI in the first place???

[killergoalie]

DIM, calcium d glucarate, zinc, lowering bodyfat, more frequent AND smaller injections, lower overall dose of T weekly, possibly taking in less environmental and phytoestrogens, etc etc... few big threads on this topic actually.

The best thing for immediate results would obviously be less testosterone.

But wouldn't that defeat the main purpose of TRT?

I've also recently read a few threads/discussions where too frequent injections into bodyfat could possibly raise E2 levels due to the fact that the aromatase enzyme is produced by/located in bodyfat, so it basically converts it instantly. (Paraphrasing, but that was the general gist of what was said.)

[--->>405<<---]

goalie i dont know if it was mentioned but i switched to sub q and my E2 went from being too high to now being low (16) on as little as .25mg adex twice per week. bottom line i am now trying out not running any and have high hopes this will work for me. maybe (if u dont already) u should switch to sub q.

actually IMO i wouldnt even say maybe. sub q is the best IMO!! SUB Q

[suprarob]

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actually IMO i wouldnt even say maybe. sub q is the best IMO!! SUB Q

Hmm 405...what is Sub Q?

[TennTarheel]

Uh oh

[steroid.com 1]

But wouldn't that defeat the main purpose of TRT?

I've also recently read a few threads/discussions where too frequent injections into bodyfat could possibly raise E2 levels due to the fact that the aromatase enzyme is produced by/located in bodyfat, so it basically converts it instantly. (Paraphrasing, but that was the general gist of what was said.)

Absolutely untrue and false information.

The synthesis of Testosterone conversion to Estradiol happens in the blood stream not in subcutaneous tissue.

[kelkel]

Hmm 405...what is Sub Q?

Sub Q is injections into the fat, not the muscle. Done with a small insulin syringe into the abdomen or really any area that has enough fat. Very easy and pain free and is becoming more and more popular.

Watch this video: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...on-sub-q-shots.

[bass]

Absolutely untrue and false information.

The synthesis of Testosterone conversion to Estradiol happens in the blood stream not in subcutaneous tissue.

Exactly, this is why many of us switched from IM to SQ, and it's working great.

[--->>405<<---]

Exactly, this is why many of us switched from IM to SQ, and it's working great.

an understatement! ive been doing it 6 weeks and have reduced rate of conversion of test to E2 as well as been able to reduce test dose while maintaining similar (hopefully) blood levels.. and possibly eliminating need for AI..

plus the inject is a breeze. i do the love handle area. eazy peezy!

[HRTstudent]

But wouldn't that defeat the main purpose of TRT?

I've also recently read a few threads/discussions where too frequent injections into bodyfat could possibly raise E2 levels due to the fact that the aromatase enzyme is produced by/located in bodyfat, so it basically converts it instantly. (Paraphrasing, but that was the general gist of what was said.)

The purpose of TRT is not necessarily to get just under max-normal range. Most men were probably not physiologically designed to run that high. Hence, you often hear of experts in the field who strive for levels around the 650'ish area. That's the basic target range and it puts you in a really good spot with plenty of testosterone to do its work.

Check out some of Dr Mark Gordon's info if you can find some on the web. I posted a little thread about him maybe a month ago. Good quote in it... basically he treats many many patients and avoids anastrozole by small, frequent dosing and secondly, he implements OTC strategies such as zinc/copper.

[M302_Imola]

I moved to injecting more frequently and that dropped my E2 so I didn't need to continue with the zinc.

Out of curiosity, what was your injection frequency before and after the change? Was this done IM or Sub Q?

DIM, calcium d glucarate, zinc, lowering bodyfat, more frequent AND smaller injections, lower overall dose of T weekly, possibly taking in less environmental and phytoestrogens, etc etc... few big threads on this topic actually.

The best thing for immediate results would obviously be less testosterone.

Good point...DIM is good stuff!

[suprarob]

The purpose of TRT is not necessarily to get just under max-normal range. Most men were probably not physiologically designed to run that high. Hence, you often hear of experts in the field who strive for levels around the 650'ish area. That's the basic target range and it puts you in a really good spot with plenty of testosterone to do its work.

Check out some of Dr Mark Gordon's info if you can find some on the web. I posted a little thread about him maybe a month ago. Good quote in it... basically he treats many many patients and avoids anastrozole by small, frequent dosing and secondly, he implements OTC strategies such as zinc/copper.

OK let's suppose this is 100% correct. Doesn't it still make sense to go over to the max side of normal (1100) to make better mass gains?

[JohnnyVegas]

Out of curiosity, what was your injection frequency before and after the change? Was this done IM or Sub Q?

My E2 had been slowly creeping up but was still in the safe zone. I went from weekly to twice a week and my E2 dropped a bit.

[M302_Imola]

My E2 had been slowly creeping up but was still in the safe zone. I went from weekly to twice a week and my E2 dropped a bit.

Thanks, good to know