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[GeriatricOne]

Hello forum! I'm about to turn 50-years-old. I am on TRT of 130ml/week for 6 months now. Good experience (Low-T Center). Had a little volume reduction in the boys that was resolved with adding HCG to my dose. I've also been sensitive to acne as test dose increased in increments starting at 100ml. Blood platelets have increased too and the doc has me give blood as a remedy. Normal experiences as I understand them. Everything else is strong and healthy. .

Anyone have experience supplementing their TRT with Anavar ? I am researching sources and intending to begin Anavar cycles of 50mg/day 6-weeks on/off. Goal is lean muscle and strength increases.

[steroid.com 1]

Are you more interested in optimizing your androgen serum levels or looking to add in other steroids for other purposes?

What's your goal more lean muscle mass and strength?

If so, go to the anabolic forum and the guys there will help you out.

[Vettester]

I worked with it in the past (anavar ). Good results, as stated very lean, but it jacked up my ALT & AST enzymes pretty good, plus increased BP within the first week. Some can do just fine on it, others like bass and I seem to struggle a bit with the sides. I have other genetic related issues with my liver, so it doesn't take much of anything to get it grumbling.

Presume your lab work follow up has been successful? No E2 issues? Any other hormones and labs being addressed? (Thyroid, DHEA,Test serum, free/bio, etc.)

Welcome to the forum!

[HRTstudent]

If quality of life is your main concern then I don't really see anavar being something you should/need to pursue at 50 years old. I'm just guessing that you're not in a position where your livelihood depends on physical recovery, muscle, etc etc.

So, rather than rock the boat at only 6 months in... why not just see how life improves on the stuff you're doing now?

[APIs]

Quite a few people "here" have added Anavar to their TRT who are interested in "both" optimizing hormone levels "and" building lean muscle & strength. This concept does go hand-in-hand with many people here who take weight training seriously. Having said that, I don’t see why the fellow should be automatically directed to another forum on the site just because he's looking to maximize his TRT. Just saying...

I agree with HRT that OP is only 6 months in where the addition of new compounds will only complicate matters. Get your program down pat before considering Anavar any further.

As for practical experience, I tried adding Anavar (50 to 75 mgs ED) over this past summer and have to say it really wasn’t worth it IMO. While I did benefit from increased strength (somewhat), vascularity & leanness, my Blood Pressure did increase substantially which is a big no-no for me. Everyone reacts differently.

You're only 6 months into this. The Test Cyp alone will do wonders for you as long as you continually train hard, eat right & get the right amount of rest. I'm almost 3 years in & continue to see improvements incrementally. Just stick to the plan you’re on & you’ll see improvements too (with time). My $0.02…

[kelkel]

Agree with the above astute forum members. Right now optimize your diet and training. Most people think they're eating enough to gain muscle but they really are not. You can take all the AAS in the world but if your diet/food intake is not sufficient as well as your training protocol on point, you will not see the gains occur. Visit the nutrition forum, post your diet and let the guru's there critique it. Good guys there.

Welcome!

kel

[GeriatricOne]

Thanks for the advice. I'm not dead set on Anavar (or anything) this point. I am interested in something that will help accelerate tissue recovery. Elevated blood pressure is a serious concern as I do pretty intense metabolic conditioning in CrossFit 5-days a week.

I have realized gains just from test-C in both cardio capacity and body composition. Lats and legs are growing a little. I'm thinking it would be a good opportunity to supplement with an anabolic as long as I have the Low-T center providing testosterone , blood work, HCG and Estrogen blockers.

[steroid.com 1]

"I don’t see why the fellow should be automatically directed to another forum on the site just because he's looking to maximize his TRT. Just saying..."

Honestly, do you think Anavar is a standard for hormone replacement therapy?

I don't ever recall one TRT Physician use it as part of their standar therapy.

I only suggested it as he's looking to use it for other purposes than attempting to optimize his androgen level.

[GeriatricOne]

Apologies if I broke protocol guys. I introduced myself in the Anabolic forum and they recommended I do the same here as I am on TRT. Is it bad form to discuss other anabolics in this forum?

[APIs]

Honestly, do you think Anavar is a standard for hormone replacement therapy?

I don't ever recall one TRT Physician use it as part of their standar therapy.

I only suggested it as he's looking to use it for other purposes than attempting to optimize his androgen level.

1. Nope & you’re absolutely right. Especially since trying it myself. Live & learn. However, being a power sportsman I do understand the OP’s thought process as to why he might be considering the compound while other people here may condemn it.

2. Yes. However, we all know the clinics do offer it and this is certain to confuse someone new in TRT. Only a Vet here would know that.

3. Understood, but I think we need to be mindful that optimizing levels and increased strength are both viable goals for some people in TRT. The average TRT recipient (not meaning you) whom do not work-out or who only do so casually may not understand this mind-set. Hey Kel, back me up here, lol. IMO the OP’s concern is better served by the experienced members here in the TRT section rather than going to the general anabolic forum. No pissing match GD, just trying to be more "inclusive" wherever possible…

[steroid.com 1]

No pissing match API...if we can help here all the better

[bass]

good advice given from everyone, and the guys who chimed in are top notch and they know what they're talking about. like Vette said, i tried it at 40 mgs ed and got all the nasty sides everyone have listed, however strength was great. i still have some left from my last go around and thinking to go for it at 20 mgs ed and see what it does for a soon to be 53 year young man!

[TennTarheel]

From what I have deduced from lots of research, Anavar is toward the bottom of the pack as far as cost:results ratio. Meaning you don't really get a whole lot of bang for your buck, especially if you are paying clinic prices. It is great for wrestlers, martial artists, powerlifters, boxers, etc because of the ability to gain a good amount of strength without too much weight gain. It is good for very lean gains but minimal ones. It is supposedly one of the safest steroids as far as side effects, as long as you're running reasonable doses like 40mg a day or less.

Kel is spot on with the diet thing. Most underestimate what they really need to eat to put on serious lean weight.

Just my opinion, but depending on your goals, I would think it would be more worth your money to do a blast with a larger amt of test. Much cheaper and more effective than Oxandrolone. Again, just my opinion.

[APIs]

No matter what one's goals are here, I think we all can agree on at least one thing. "Do Not" add Trenbolone to your TRT protocol!

[kelkel]

Simply put, everyone above has valid points. But I still stand by my original post above. The op has only been on TRT for 6 months. Is he really dialed in yet? How many times has BW been pulled to validate his current protocol? What else can be done naturally to make improvements, e.g. DHEA, Preg, D3? Have these been tested for? How long has he been working out religiously with spot on nutrition?

Far to many people take the leap into ancillary substances when effective changes could have made allowing them to achieve their results in a safe manner. Now, I'm not against added substances based on the individual, their knowledge, training time, goals and objectives and if they've done everything in their power to achieve those goals. If they haven't, then they should not consider it as they will surely lose their short term gains upon cessation of the substance. Basically to be bigger, stronger, faster you have to eat bigger and train accordingly. Then to maintain those sudden gains from ancillaries you have to continue that amount of food intake. Without it you've wasted your time and money and maybe a little bit of your health as well.

And when it comes to tren . No for TRT. It is a extremely strong substance (5X Test) and for advanced subjects only.

My .02

kel

[reporich]

Im the perfect example of "what not to do"! I started HRT and soon after did a blast, then back to HRT and then another blast. I had researched my blasts and asked questions and did them right. What I overlooked was getting my HRT dialed in before I ran a blast, I am looking at the big picture now and getting things right. As Kel said in my thread "avoid the temptation" and get things dialed in before you run off on a blast. Im getting blood work soon but I've been feeling pretty good since I crashed my E2 and have been avoiding my AI. Listen to what the others have said, they are very helpful and wise...

[61er]

IMO, this conversation belongs in this forum. TRT is the given. Adding something to the mix raises questions that are of unique interest to people on this board. It's not like we're running a T cycle.

[GeriatricOne]

I appreciate everyone's advise. I'm going to put my supplementation plans on hold for the moment.

I'll get my 4th blood work results in two weeks and will post. In the near term I am going to redirect my focus to getting away from the weekly co-pay clinic and finding a doctor to monitor my self administration.

Kel - I eat clean following Paleo principles, but I hear you about dialing the diet in first. 2013 will be my year to fine tune the diet. I work out with intensity at least one hour 5 days a week. I do have a specific 5-year goal to achieve or be peaking toward at age 55. I'm in this for the long term and want to do it right.

I'll get the new doc and home protocol and revisit supplementation with you guys later, and maybe then only a little more test off and on...

Again, the advise and caution is very much appreciated!

[kelkel]

Your welcome G.O! Hit the nutrition forum and maybe post your food intake and goals and those guys can break it down for you. Pretty much free nutritionists willing to help! If it's not to late, test for some of the other items I mentioned above as well. Prudent to do.

Stick around and contribute G.O. Glad to have ya here!

kel