Just started my new HRT program and I'm excited to start feeling the results.

[PistolPete33]

I'm a 36 year old active male. I train in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and have for a few years. Last November I had my right hip replaced due to Osteo-Arthritis. Since then I just haven't felt like myself and decided to have my T levels checked. As I expected my number were low so I was just put on HRT.

Here is what I'm taking:

200mg- Test C weekly with 1 injection weekly. We may break this up to 2 shots weekly but for now just the one to get things going.

Also taking 2 injections weekly of HCG and twice weekly Nolva.

I'm also taking Sermorelin GHRP2 which is administered nightly thru an epi-pen. Should help repair some muscle tissue damage of my surgery and help with recovery from training.

Can't wait to start feeling like I use to. They said this should get my T levels around 1100 and I should feel AWESOME. After a few months I may add in some Anavar or Deca as I can also get a script for those. I would do that once or twice per year at the peak of my training which is usually mid Spring and Fall.

[bass]

here we go with another clinic prescribed steroi....I mean meds! brother, be careful with clinics, they will sell you everything they have and harm you more than benefit you. TRT is not a magic pill, it takes about a year or so to get dialed in, basically the first year will be a roller coaster until you find your "sweet spot". the dose they put you on is a high end TRT, I think you will have more negative results than good starting that high. recommended starting dose for "health reasons" is 100 mgs per week, and most of us split that to 50 mgs twice a week to avoid e2 conversion. there are more things that you need to do to go along with TRT, like donating blood as often as you can to keep your RBC, Hemoglobin and Hematocrit in check, these level go up while on TRT and at these doses they'll get there pretty quick like it happened to me, if you leave them that high you risk getting stroke or heart attach. you must have a good diet and exercise plan to make TRT successful for you. I didn't see anything mentioned for AIs! at 200 mgs a week your e2 will go through the roof and you will feel like an 80 year old man. I hope you reconsider this protocol as it seems its coming from a steroid dealer. unfortunately most clinic today act like steroids dealers. if I were you I'd consider our clinic here, at least they wont dump drugs on you just to make a profit, but most importantly you will be treated for health reason. good luck brother.

[bass]

here a link to the upcoming TRT clinic, http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...om-Coming-Soon!!

[PistolPete33]

Wonderful.... When should I have bloodwork redone? I def. don't want to cause harm to my body esp. long term. How often should I give blood? What exactly does that do? I've read a bit about it on here but I'm VERY new to this. The place I'm going to takes care of a huge amount of the UFC guys. Not really with test but with the HGH.

With your clinic do you offer the HGH as well?

[bass]

TRT make your blood thinker, donating will make it thinner. It's not my clinic, it belongs to the owner of this site. Not sure if they prescribe hgh, if so they will do it only if its needed.

[ctenosaura]

Hey Pistol Pete, I'm a new guy too, and also train in BJJ. 2 weeks into my TRT with T-cyp .75ml once a week. It seems like the arthritis in my hands is clearing up because the pain is almost gone and I am getting my "Kung Fu Grip" back which I hadn't had in two years. Also the pain in my shoulders and elbows seems to be half of what they were, so this may be good for getting your hip back to recover more fully. So something to look forward to, but at 36, your still a young guy compared to me! lol

[PistolPete33]

TRT make your blood thinker, donating will make it thinner. It's not my clinic, it belongs to the owner of this site. Not sure if they prescribe hgh, if so they will do it only if its needed.

Makes perfect sense. How often do you typically give blood? I will def. look into the clinical option via this site. I def. get the feeling the place I'm using is a legalized steroid dealer. When they started offering Anavar and Deca I started to wonder. I asked them about the 200mg weekly dosing and they said that's where they will start and then adjust after the next bloodwork if needed.

Another question I have is how often should I have bloods drawn? Thank you for all your help I REALLY appreciate it. I'm VERY new to this and want to make sure I'm doing things the right way to increase my quality of life.

[PistolPete33]

Hey Pistol Pete, I'm a new guy too, and also train in BJJ. 2 weeks into my TRT with T-cyp .75ml once a week. It seems like the arthritis in my hands is clearing up because the pain is almost gone and I am getting my "Kung Fu Grip" back which I hadn't had in two years. Also the pain in my shoulders and elbows seems to be half of what they were, so this may be good for getting your hip back to recover more fully. So something to look forward to, but at 36, your still a young guy compared to me! lol

This is AWESOME to read. It's hard to have a Kung Fu Grip in BJJ when you're always breaking fingers. haha Just broke one 2 days ago. lmao. I really hope this helps with the arthritis. My left hip still has some life left and if I can prolong things it will be fantastic. I'm hoping the combination of TEst C and HGH I will feel like a young man again.

I would love to hear about your progress as time moves on.

[Vettester]

Pete, your first set of labs should take place at six (6) weeks after starting your protocol. If you can, please post your original baseline labs, which hopefully include your thyroid assays, along other labs like LH & FSH, which will help confirm your diagnosis. Speaking of, did your doctor determine if you are primary or secondary. Presuming they confirmed you're secondary due to the HCG protocol involved?

Agree with Bass' assessment on the amount being administered. You're starting out quite high IMO, and your mind is thinking about other compounds light years before even getting your program settled and dialed in. Your current protocol will probably peak out in 2 to 3 days higher than the 1,100 serum level you anticipate, but then again everyone metabolizes this differently. Even if it does, I'd personally advise seeking a serum level at/around 700/800 ng/dl, but I'd also like to know where you sit on your free & bio T, which would also dictate the optimal level to be at. So, with that said, we need your labs, please.

[PistolPete33]

Here is the link to my bloodwork:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...an-you-tell-me

Thanks for all your help.

[Vettester]

Test looks mildly low. LH & FSH is also a little low, indicating a slight suppression of your HPTA. This would lean to put you in the secondary category, but again, it doesn't look like it was completely in the tank. Regardless, your new TRT regiment with HCG will put you in a state of complete suppression, so just know it will quite the roller coaster if you come off, or if your treatments are spread out over 2 to 3 weeks.

Now, the one thing I don't quite get is the Nolva. What's the scoop for taking that? Any gyno tendencies?

On the protocol, I would highly suggest cutting it in half for the first round, then adjust if needed. Maybe consider 80mg-100mg of test/wk (spit up 2x), and 3x of HCG is what I personally prefer (250iu x 3 for me). On your next set of labs, please look at the estradiol sensitive assay. It will be interesting to see how that looks on your first set of follow ups.

Also look at the proper supplements to compliment your protocol ... DHEA, B12 (meth), Vitamin D, Omegas, etc.

[PistolPete33]

I was wrong about the Nolva it is actually Anastrozole to be taking Monday and Thursday at 1mg each day. I will look into those supplements as I want to make the best out of this. I'm a bit nervous about the blood thickening to be totally honest. Heart disease runs in my family (my mother died of a heart attack at only 42) and I don't want to repeat that cycle. Should I take the baby asprin or should I consult with my Dr. first and see what he says?

[bass]

man this is exactly what my X clinic prescribed! is this in Florida somewhere?! 1mg daily AI will kill you my friends! if you want and if you have the money take everything they are prescribing exclude anavar (anavar dos not have a long shelf life) and do the following,

Test, 50 mgs twice a week (every 3.5 days)
hCG , 350 iu one day before each test injection (time of the day is not critical)
Vitamin D, 10,000 iu ed
DHED, 50 mgs once every morning
Donate blood every two - three months

6 weeks later do blood work, complete hormone panel to see where you sit with e2, if high then start taking AI 0.25 one day after each test injection, if normal simply continue your protocol without AI. of course adjust test dose as needed, you want to be at two thirds of the range on total and at the top of the range on Free. one year later you can introduce deca at 100 mgs ew, this will give you some joint relief and possible some size! the point here is don't take more that is needed until you get dialed in within one year, let your body adjust to the new hormones before you introduce other compounds. and yes take a baby aspirin every night, no harm there.

[PistolPete33]

bass- The AI is 1mg only on Monday and Thursday and that's it. It isn't every day. I will take your advice as I want to do this correctly. Starting next week I will lower my dosage to 1/2 what I'm taking and split it up into 2 shots. I obviously won't start this week because I already took the 200mg's. I will get the baby asprin and start taking that and it def. makes sense to let my body adjust to the compounds before adding anything else. Is DHED available at a GNC type store or will I need to order it online?

Thanks again for all your help.

[bass]

please understand, i am only making a suggestion as what i would do, not telling you what to do, its up to you. Sorry for the typo, its DHEA and yes its available at lef.com and sorry for misreading the AI dose, even that is too much in my opinion. but if you are going to follow my suggestion then no need for AI at this point. Keep us posted.

[MyteeJ]

Pete -

I was started on 300 mg per week and quickly realized after chatting with a doc in person and from the good advice on here that I needed to drop dosage and I'm at 140 mg per week currently.

I am taking Sermorelin GHRP 6 and GH to recover from an injury and I am very pleased with the results. I have arthritis from other injuries as well and the current protocol is helping with that too.

You may want to check out pregnenlone in addition to what the guys suggested as well. I get mine OTC and it's by the DHEA and other mens supplements.