Stopping TRT - NEBIDO

[jimmy79]

Hi

Just a bit of background.

I have been on TRT (Nebido) for 2 years. I have recently decided to completly stop and try to restart my system.

My last TRT shot was In August (4 months ago). 2 months ago I started HCG and used it for 1 month then stopped it.

So the past month I have been using Clomid(25mg) & Nolvadex (20mg) every day. Also 50,000IU vitamin D twice a week.
I'm going to stay on this for another 2 weeks then stop.

I have done a blood test a few days ago and will do another one in 2 weeks. I will post the results here for anyone who is interested.

Cheers

/J

[apple2go]

Why did you decide to stop it?

[Steve N]

I am thinking of starting Why Stop?

[marcus300]

Why are you stopping when you need it and don't produce enough natural testosterone ?
What makes you think you can kickstart your hpta off again when the reason you went on was because it doesn't produce enough.

[jimmy79]

Before I started I was going through a very stressful period. Which is why I think I was low on T.
Lets see what the blood results tell us :-)

[Soar]

Wish you the best of luck! At 59 TRT may offer you a bit more then your natural testosterone levels would. I'd think anyway.

[marcus300]

Before I started I was going through a very stressful period. Which is why I think I was low on T.
Lets see what the blood results tell us :-)

I think at your age it will be a miricale if you get your test levels anything like being on TRT, you also should consider what natural test levels would feel like at your age compared to trt...
Still cant understand why you would stop when you need it but best of luck

[junk2222yard]

I think at your age it will be a miricale if you get your test levels anything like being on TRT, you also should consider what natural test levels would feel like at your compared to trt...
Still cant understand why you would stop when you need it but best of luck

You are probably right, but perhaps he will be satisfied with less than HRT levels now, especially during a different and less sressful time of life.

I wish the original poster good luck, and certainly appreciate him taking the time to post his experience. We need more stories from people doing a doctor-monitored restart; they are hard to find.

[marcus300]

You are probably right, but perhaps he will be satisfied with less than HRT levels now, especially during a different and less sressful time of life.

I wish the original poster good luck, and certainly appreciate him taking the time to post his experience. We need more stories from people doing a doctor-monitored restart; they are hard to find.

Yes they are, I've not seen many around this forum. Will be interesting to see the end result

[jimmy79]

My age is 33 not 59. I can't seem to edit that field.

I have received 2 sets of blood results now.

After 4 weeks on Clomid (25mg) & Nolvadex (20mg):
Total Testosterone : 277 (231-781 ng/dl)
Free Testosterone: 6.1 (5.0-16.0 ng/dl)
LH: 0.2 (1.3-9.6 IU/l)
FSH: 0.4 (1.2-15.8 IU/l)


After 6 weeks (2 weeks after previous blood test) Clomid (25mg) & Nolvadex (20mg):
Total Testosterone: 216 (231-781 ng/dl)
Free Testosterone: 4.7 (5.0-16.0 ng/dl)
LH: 0.2 (1.3-9.6 IU/l)
FSH: 0.2 (1.2-15.8 IU/l)


My LH & FSH levels does not seem to be responding to the Clomid&Nolvadex treatment. Any ideas what could be going wrong?

I'm going to stop everything for 3 weeks. Then start Clomid only at 50mg for 2 weeks. Unless anyone has a better idea?

One thing for sure is that my testes are not atrophied anymore. Don't know if that means anything.

/J

[apple2go]

Before I started I was going through a very stressful period. Which is why I think I was low on T.
Lets see what the blood results tell us :-)

I don't have too much knowledge (YET!). What I read is that stress alone is not be able to decrease your test levels below the 'normal' just in case you have the low ''normal'' levels which is not fine at all.

Why did you start trt if you suspected stress for low test?

Your low lh levels look strange to my while on SERM.

[bullshark99]

Jimmy, maybe im missing it in a different thread but what were your levels prior to going on TRT?? Stress, Diet alcohol lots of things, pain meds, can lower Tes, however, it looks a litle disheartening to me to see your 6 week results slipping consideably from the previous one. Hope I am wrong for your sake but you may need to make peace with the fact of TRT even at age 33. Much worse things, pls keep this rolling am curious where you land, best of luck.

[jimmy79]

To answer apple2go, I did not at that time think that stress was the cause. I only see that now looking back.

The LH levels are strange indeed. 2 years ago before I started with TRT, I did a 7 day Clomid (50mg) test. (There is a thread here somewhere) My FSH went from 3.2 up to 4.2 and my LH went from 4.7 to 2.9.
My Total Testosterone & Free Testosterone doubled in that week! Would I be right to say that it is the FSH then that raises your testosterone and not your LH??

So my question is: Is there any research that would explain why LH would go down on Clomid ?


To answer bullshark99, My levels were in the low range. I have also discovered that I were using Anti-Fungal medication when doing the initial blood tests. I have read that it causes lowering of testosterone. Can anyone confirm this??

/J

[zaggahamma]

i cant change my profile age either

[jimmy79]

I did some research on Clomid and it seems that it actually desensitizes your pituitary gland to GnRH.
Which means less LH will be produced.

So I'm going to start taking only Nolvadex (40mg) ed.

/J

[junk2222yard]

One thing for sure is that my testes are not atrophied anymore. Don't know if that means anything.

It is a change, so it must mean something. Are they fluffed out as big as before you ever did HRT? Or just not as small and tight?

Any mood change?

Is this doctor supervised, and if so what is your doctor's opinion of your numbers?

[dreadnok89]

i got a question. now i see the levels of normal test are based on how old are you are. does that make any sense? at any abge i would wanna be around 1000. majority of people with high range of test and normal levels of estrogen live longer and face less problems the older they get. i also read that is if your older and have low test and high estrogen is guaranteed prostate cancer. again, just a question. i dont know anything. why im here!

[jimmy79]

I'd have to say same as before I started HRT.

Mood, Clomid made me very emotional. But since I've stopped the Clomid and only using Nolvadex my mood has improved a lot. Clomid makes me want to cry the whole time.
I feel good now.

The doctor is monitoring me but I will only see him next week to discuss the blood results.

dreadnok89, start a new thread :-)

Another thing I forgot to mention is that I'm using GHRP2 & GHRH (Mod-GRF) which should in theory help a bit.

/J

[jimmy79]

just an update for those interested. After about 8 months of being off TRT my system did not restart. The doctors then put me back on TRT as I were feeling worse even than before I started TRT for the first time.
After effects of trying to stop... Since using the Clomid I have been getting dry eyes at night. Even now about 3 years later, I'm still sometimes get dry eyes at night. (I presume it is because of low estrogen? who knows)
anyway I'm back on TRT ever since and still on it. Not using anything else for the past 3 years. Just plain TRT every 10 weeks. Any questions are welcome.

[bullshark99]

Well just the obvious, how do you feel? You tried, at least you know for sure.

[thisAngelBites]

I love when people come back after they try something radical, and report to others so we can all learn. Thanks for that.

I don't know of any study that tries to restart T production after some amount of time on TRT (and who would fund such a study? That would only happen if a drug company developed a drug to restart testes, and why would anyone work on a project that wouldn't require ongoing medication?), so the best we can do is use anecdotes, and we very rarely hear of someone who is able to restart.

In those rare instances when people do restart successfully, I expect it's more common in the young, or in people who have not been suppressed by TRT long, but no one knows for sure.

Sorry it didn't work for you. I hope you can get yourself dialed in so you are feeling good.

[jimmy79]

I feel wonderful :-)

I must have been crazy to have wanted to stop.

[ks1234]

Clomid makes me want to cry the whole time.


/J

I couldn't help but chuckle at this.
Thanks for reporting back man! It's always good to hear how folks are doing