Got started today and the journey begins

**tripperdogg** · 01-10-2013, 08:51 PM

Went to my Dr today for injection training. It went well. They showed me the I.M. technique in the thigh.Started with 100 mg and will follow up with another 100 mg next thursday. They originally wanted to do 200mg every 2 weeks and with the knowledge I gained here, I suggested 100mg every week so I wouldnt have the fall off. They agreed and off we go.Thanks for passing on such great info.

**steroid.com 1** · 01-10-2013, 09:38 PM

Good start but what about....

HCG ?

E2 Management?

**tripperdogg** · 01-10-2013, 10:58 PM

They are starting one thing at a time and monitoring with bloodwork. Hcg is based for them on whether the patient has pain from shrinkage. I asked already. An A.I. would be as needed only. Right now my test and e2 are both very low.

**APIs** · 01-11-2013, 08:27 AM

The fact they would even suggest 200 mgs e2w with no plan for adding HCG or an AI should make you leery of their TRT knowledge. Don't be afraid to push them for updated blood work at the 6 week mark. It sounds like you definitely have to keep on top of these people & protect yourself...

**steroid.com 1** · 01-11-2013, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by tripperdogg

They are starting one thing at a time and monitoring with bloodwork. Hcg is based for them on whether the patient has pain from shrinkage. I asked already. An A.I. would be as needed only. Right now my test and e2 are both very low.

HCG with exogenous Testosterone is going to shut you down. It's not a question of whether on not you get pain...you will and it's a fact.

Ready the stick on HCG.

You should start HCG right from the start so they measure what both the testosterone and HCG are doing to serum levels.

The every two week injection protocol should send you a reg flag but glade to see they are willing to go every week.

I also agree with APIs comments as well.

**tripperdogg** · 01-11-2013, 09:47 AM

When I asked about hcg ,the nurse said that most of their patients dont need it only if the patient is experiencing pain. That wasnt the answer that I wanted to hear because I know better from the info on this site. I have read the sticky , but figured I will get started and add hcg after a few weeks. My Dr.is very busy and he has been communicating through his nurse. This is Kel's doc and I'm suprised he didnt start me on hcg too, but I think that he wants to see were bw is after 2 weeks on just one drug at a time.

**bass** · 01-11-2013, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by tripperdogg

When I asked about hcg ,the nurse said that most of their patients dont need it only if the patient is experiencing pain. That wasnt the answer that I wanted to hear because I know better from the info on this site. I have read the sticky , but figured I will get started and add hcg after a few weeks. My Dr.is very busy and he has been communicating through his nurse. This is Kel's doc and I'm suprised he didnt start me on hcg too, but I think that he wants to see were bw is after 2 weeks on just one drug at a time.

Really?! we need to send Kel over to kick his ass!

**38onTRT** · 01-11-2013, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by bass

Really?! we need to send Kel over to kick his ass!

lololol

**bullshark99** · 01-11-2013, 10:40 AM

Well, Im sure you are one step ahead of me, but "one way or another" make sure you communicate to the nurse you are having "testicular pain and shrinkage" My first 5 mo's did no HcG , my boys did shrink a bit but I had zero pain. Suppose evryone is dif, but I would quit TRT somehow if I couldnt continue the HcG.

**tripperdogg** · 01-11-2013, 11:29 AM

Believe me , Im just happy to get started. tired of feeling like crap. I'm very appreciative for all the help you guys have been , especially Kel. I was planning on telling the doc that I was having pain and shrinkage after a few weeks anyhow. I will also start 2x's a week 1/4 doses subq after next weeks 100 mg IM shot.Maybe we should send the big guy over for alittle chat though with the doc. ha ha !

**kelkel** · 01-11-2013, 11:37 AM

You guys are all nuts. Some smaller than others but still nuts.

**Torqued** · 01-11-2013, 11:49 AM

I got started a little over a month ago. My endo refused to even talk about HCG and said if I wanted to go that route, I'd have to be referred to a reproductive endocrinologist. He also started off talking about 200mg IM every 2 weeks. I brought up the half life issue and countered with 50mg every 3.5 days. He said he starts with the 200mg/2weeks because he doesn't think guys want to stick themselves more frequently.

Sadly, it seems like the majority of docs doing male HRT are not up to speed on the latest literature and protocols.

That said, I started off with 50mg Test C every 3.5 days and picked up HCG on my own for 250iu HCG MWF.

I'm getting my own 6-week labs drawn next week via privatemdlabs to check things out. Endo didn't want to see me/check blood work for 3 months. I also ended up having to draw my own PSA, Lipid Panel, and sensitive Estradiol the morning before my 1st injection from the endo because my he didn't think to get baseline levels on those... and I had to talk him into adding them to my 3-month lab draws.

With male HRT, you'll most likely have to be your own health activist/advocate and push the docs to get what you really need. And, for some aspects of it, you may be better off just taking care of it yourself.