Got'a read this 2nd Dr. said I was breaking the law by doing injections every 3.5 day

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Well I went to my second Dr. on Thurs 01-10-13 and the sign said Hormone Replacement Therapy. In a big nice building but no cars to speak of in the parking lot .

I go in and have to fill out the paper work again that I had already filled out on line. The medical history and new patient info. I was a little put off but mistakes do happen . After this delay that I had hoped to avoid by filling out in advance on line; they show me to a exam rm.

The Dr. or Pa. comes in and does a quick introduction I have been in HRT for 30 years and with this group for 5 years and the asked me the same questions I had just filled out on the form in the waiting room. She then asked me how did I feel and I tell her not so good or I wouldn't be here. She then asked me to tell her about my TRT such as how long and what type (I had already put on the form in the waiting rm.) I tell her that my Dr. had prescribed 1 mL of Testosterone Cypionate EOW and that after much research on the Internet and the proticall of other Dr. I was Injecting .25 every 3.5 days. With this she freaked and said I was breaking the law ! She continued that no Dr. in the USA could legally prescribe Testosterone Cypionate at any closer intervals than EOW or they were breaking the law ! She then tells me that is why she never prescribes Injectable Testosterone because of BW like mine and the dangers to the male body. (I am wondering where this is going) Then she asked me what was my goal or level I hoped to obtain in my TRT and I told her around 1000. She laughed and said that is impossible . (I am looking for the door now) BUT ! She goes ahead to educate me on Testosterone Cypionate . She draws this line on a piece of paper and it goes up and levels of and then drops with a line on across to the edge of the paper. She ask me what the lines mean and I shared that I assume that is the ester life of Test when injected and the top is about 72 hours later and the it drops off. She went on to explain that at the top there was a period of time where the test was most available and then it began to drop and reached the bottom where it was not available for a few days until the next dose or shot . I said that is why I take a shot of .25 every 3.5 days to avoid the crash for 7 days and that way I stay balanced and don't have the 7 days of feeling like shit as your chart shows. She said that is why I don't use injectable's and I only use cream. I then begin to listen but ignore her and I as her what about my estrogen level being 66 and the high side of normal being 29 would you please prescribe an AI to bring my estrogen level down and she said no you must stop the injection and bottom out and in a couple of months we will start over with cream and get you to a good balanced level for a man 53 years old of about 350. and it just slipped out like hell I will ! She again begins to tell me that 100 is un obtainable and not realistic. So by this time I have figured out another old sckool D.A. So I ask her about my high side of normal RBC and the same with my hemoglobin . She said that was because I was getting to much test and that was what made my Bilirubin high also. I asked her if I gave a pint of blood would this not change all those numbers and she said maybe ?

She then asked me if I would like to get started and I asked her what that meant ? She said bring me your prescription you have of Testosterone Cypionate , and see me again in 2 months. I said but I will crash big time and she tells me well that is just the price we have to pay for foolish decissions we make and when she starts taking care of me she will get me to a healthy safe level of around 350. I told her that she need not consider me for treatment and could I get my co-pay back for her wasting my time. She said all I have done is try to educate you on you health . I told her if you would have answered the questions I sent you a week ago I would not even be here today. Can I have my money please. With this I walked out and the receptionist asks me how things went and I said they sucked and they needed a new TRT Dr. that was not 30 years behind times ! She then asked me if I wanted to make another appointment and I told her when hell freezes over ! Could I have my Co-pay back for my wasted time ? I just turned and walked out the door while this bubble head was babbling something .

Another jerk off buy a Dr. that thought they were a God !

[bass]

didn't read the whole thing, but from the little I read I would have simply got out of there and kept looking for a good dr. to be honest from all the posts you been posting not sure what your goal is! are you looking to be treated for health or you want to find a clinic that will do what your heart desires?!

[bullshark99]

Wow, that one has to be in the top 5!!

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

didn't read the whole thing, but from the little I read I would have simply got out of there and kept looking for a good dr. to be honest from all the posts you been posting not sure what your goal is! are you looking to be treated for health or you want to find a clinic that will do what your heart desires?!

I was completly ingornant until I found this forum. My goal is to find a Dr. that will prescribe what I think I have read on this forum is a good TRT Proticall

Testosterone Cypionate , as needed
HCG , as needed
AI's, as needed
B12 , if needed
Progerlone, if needed

I did not even know about AI's and HCG as prescribed bt a Dr. until I read this forum , I seek maxium health and wellness but from what I have read Dr. in my area do not prescribe the proticall many of the member are on, Do I have to buy HCG and AI's myself and is it not possible to get a Dr, to prescribe them. I seek health and wellness. But I don't seem to be able to find complete proticall from a Dr. ? Only Clinics prescribe the proticall so many men speak of ? I desire what I have learned on this forum and that is not 1 mL of Testosterone Cypionate EOW and nothing else ? Am I looking for the wrong thing for health and wellness ?

It seems that the only place in Atlanta that prescribes these meds or will even consider them are clinics

All the Dr. will prescribe is 1 mL of Testosterone Cypionate EOW

[LT75]

I don't think any doctor will keep you at 1000. Maybe a male clinic that wants your money but not a real doctor.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I don't think any doctor will keep you at 1000. Maybe a male clinic that wants your money but not a real doctor.

I can accept that but my current Dr. says 468 is fine with no AI's and no HCG ? I have elevated E2's and high hemoglobin and elevated red blood count ? I would not expect to stay at 1000 I was just answering that Dr. with the same reasonable answers she was me "crash for 2 mths and then TRY to get to 350 with cream " Both the answes were not relistic IMO I doo thin a good reptuable Doc would level me off around say 700 + ? Is that unreasonable ?

[LT75]

Why not try it natural, lower E2 that is, or go to ar-r and get a AI? ZINC, grape seed extract and a few OTC products help. That's what I have been doing and my level has been in the 20's the whole time. I forgot what your RBC was from another thread. Is it too high to donate?

[APIs]

Sorry to hear, but honestly, your first clue should have been that the Doc was a Woman. Some of the worst TRT stories I've heard have been at the hands of Female Endos etc. Sorry, but I'll take a Male Doc thank you. Unless she's packing a sausage, you can't convince me that they fully understand or appreciate what a man goes through with this condition. Not being sexist, it's just reality IMO...

[APIs]

I don't think any doctor will keep you at 1000. Maybe a male clinic that wants your money but not a real doctor.

It's not uncommon for many on TRT to be at or above the 1000 level...

[letsfixit]

Sorry to hear, but honestly, your first clue should have been that the Doc was a Woman. Some of the worst TRT stories I've heard have been at the hands of Female Endos etc. Sorry, but I'll take a Male Doc thank you. Unless she's packing a sausage, you can't convince me that they fully understand or appreciate what a man goes through with this condition. Not being sexist, it's just reality IMO...

my endo is a woman and I felt like she wasn't interested in figuring out why I have low test. she was ready to put me on injections without a mentioning of anti-estrogen, hcg , etc.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

That's what my compliant is with my curent Dr. no AI's and no HCG not to mention a shot or a 10 cc vile of Myth B12 ?

[ctenosaura]

My doctor just prescribed test cyp, but after being on this forum and learning about TRT protocols and hcg , I just took matters into my own hands and found an online HCG supplier. Bought it, used it, and now my nuts are back and I feel great. The extra doctor visit would have cost me $150 to $200 (only two office visits a year covered) and he "may not" have prescribed it. And if he did, my insurance wont pay for it and HCG from a pharmacy is , from what I heard, $150 to $200 and I can buy it waaaaaaaay cheaper from a peptide lab. Now when I get my blood work done in a week or two and if I discover I need an AI, I'll just deal with that myself. Because of the people on this forum, I know what I want, and with some research now, i know how to get it. The other stuff, pregnenelone, dhea, vitamin D, thats easy to get, I don't need a doctor for that. Blood donations, easy. Blood work, easy. I don't need a doc for that now. Reading my blood work, I'm going to probably need some of the members to educate me a little more in this area, but easy. I'm in control. I'm a busy guy and don't have time to "doctor shop" or "doctor interview" because I know I will most likely be turned down for what I ask for or have to pay through the freakin nose to get one that will give me what I want. Just my 2 cents

[bca]

^^^ what ct said x2

[Rusty11]

ctenosaura,,,couldn't agree more. Nice post, my friend.

[bullshark99]

Won't disagree with the above, but buying product online makes me nervous as to what you are actually getting. Buzz, if u know what you want and need and are truly concerned about your well being and you feel you know proper protocol, why not use a clinic??? Shop around, they are not that expensive. They are run by drs also, yes the want your money but they are much more knowledgeable than endo's and urologists in this field. Plus the product you purchase is real with your name and ex number on it, totally legal.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I have decided to bite the bullet and I am going to Bodylifemd 1st blood work $499.00 every year and then $214 every mth there after for : B12, Testosterone Cypionate , AI's, HCG , and Deca for older fguys , , , lol like me with sever joint pain + 3 BW included in this price and I can order additional if I feel the need for more $$$ of course. They will try to balance TRT as quick as possible and then star HGH Another $318.00 per mth . for pain control this would be atleast a year from now and a lot changes in a year maybe lowtestosterone.com will be in Atlanta by then ? I am tiried of looking ! I don't have the money but I have to have this done the right way and I will make it work even it I have to deliver pizzas !

[junk2222yard]

Probably for the best. Good luck to you. Please keep updating how your appointments go. It is helpful to read real life situations like yours.

[ctenosaura]

I guess that price is not bad, I was quoted $6000.00 for 6 months not including prescriptions, but still a little pricey for me. But if your concern is having everything pharmacy grade, which can be a legit concern for some, then you will have a better peace of mind. I'm happy getting my t-cyp from costco pharmacy for $68 and everything else from the guy on the corner wearing a trench coat

[EverettCD]

WOW $6000 !!! That's crazy.

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[BuzzardMarinePumper]

FOR TRT ONLY IT'S LESS THAN $2600.00 A YEAR LOOK AROUND SOME MORE . YOU GOT A PRICE FOR HGH AND TRT AND BESIDES I LIVE IN ATLANTA SO I AM WAITING UNTIL FEB AND GOING TO ORLANDO WHERE THE 1ST BW IS INCLUDED AND THE MONTHLY PAYMENT FOR EVERYTHING ALL MEDS AND 3 BW COST $199.99 A MONTH AND 2 AIRLINE TICKETS. THAT IS A LOT SMARTER AND CHEAPER IF YOU ARE DOING IT RIGHT AND NOT CUTTING CORNERS! BESIDES I HAVE BEEN THE ROUTE OF BUYING FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES WHEN I WAS DUMB AND IN MY 20'S ! JUST PLAIN STUPID AND AGAINST THE LAW ! + YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHA YOU ARE PUTTING IN YOUR BODY SO MY BODY IS A TEMPLE AND I AM ON DISABILITY AND I WILL TAKE STERIL EXPERTS OVER A SHORT CUT ANYDAY OF THE WEEK. IF YOU ARE SO ,LOW YOU HAVE TO PURCHASE ON LINE YOU ARE NOT DOING TRT YOU ARE A FELON AND DOING ILLEGAL STEROIDS OR CLASS III DRUGS AND THAT AIN'T FOR ME ! lowtestosterone.com is less than $2400.00 a year for everything from b12 to hgc, Cypionate,AI's and even some deca for old men with bad joints like me . . . . it is a very reasonable price when you figure the cost of your insurance and co-pays and prescription and stress if you don't get what you need and they will get you up to at least 800 + I am happy to endorse them and happy to pay their fee !

PS. MY cYP COST ME $25.00 AT WAL-GREENS AND MY Dr. WILL NOT PRESCRIBE HCG OR AI's OR B12. I AM FAR FROM SCARED I CALL IT 53 YEARS OF WISDOM AND JUICE ABUSE IN MY 20's SO I HAVE CHECKED UROLOGIST, ENDOS AND ALL OF THEM COST ABOUT THE SAME WHEN ALL FEES ARE FIGURED IN !

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

My doctor just prescribed test cyp, but after being on this forum and learning about TRT protocols and hcg, I just took matters into my own hands and found an online HCG supplier. Bought it, used it, and now my nuts are back and I feel great. The extra doctor visit would have cost me $150 to $200 (only two office visits a year covered) and he "may not" have prescribed it. And if he did, my insurance wont pay for it and HCG from a pharmacy is , from what I heard, $150 to $200 and I can buy it waaaaaaaay cheaper from a peptide lab. Now when I get my blood work done in a week or two and if I discover I need an AI, I'll just deal with that myself. Because of the people on this forum, I know what I want, and with some research now, i know how to get it. The other stuff, pregnenelone, dhea, vitamin D, thats easy to get, I don't need a doctor for that. Blood donations, easy. Blood work, easy. I don't need a doc for that now. Reading my blood work, I'm going to probably need some of the members to educate me a little more in this area, but easy. I'm in control. I'm a busy guy and don't have time to "doctor shop" or "doctor interview" because I know I will most likely be turned down for what I ask for or have to pay through the freakin nose to get one that will give me what I want. Just my 2 cents

WISDOM COMES WITH AGE AND I HAVE SHOT MORE JUICE IN MY 20's THAN YOU POSSIBLY CAN EVEN AFFORD IN A LIFE TIME ! I MEAN DISIGNER STUFF AND OVER 9 CC A WEEK SOMETIMES ! THAT WAS 30 YEARS AGO AND THEY WERE NOT EVEN CLASS III DRUGS THEN SO I KNOW THE BLACKMARKET AND ONLY ABOUT 60% OF WHAT YOU GET IS 100% OF THE CLAIM ! OH I KNOW YOUR SOURCE IS NOT LIKE THAT HE ALWAYS HAS THE REAL STUFF ! WELL THINK ABOUT THAT THE NEXT TIME IT STINGS DIFFERENT GOING IN OR IS A DIFFERENT COLOR. THEN 3 WEEKS LATER THEY ARE CUTTING A GOLF BALL SIZE CHUNK OUT OF YOUR BUTT TO CUT ALL THE STAFF OUT AND THAT IS IF YOU ARE REAL LUCKY AND IT IS NOT IN YOU BLOOD STREAM OR THEN YOU MAY GET A COMPLETE BLOOD CHANGE JUST LIKE THEY CHANGE THE OIL IN YOUR CAR AND WHAT THAT COST WILL BANKRUPT YOU IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD $2400.00 A YEAR FOR A LEGIT CLINIC LIKE lowtestosterone.com wise up go clean and live longer a word from an old guy !

[ctenosaura]

A little over the top, but I enjoyed your detailed descriptions. I'm not worried. But if you now got a plan, great! I wish you the best of luck.

[Remington]

I have decided to bite the bullet and I am going to Bodylifemd 1st blood work $499.00 every year and then $214 every mth there after for : B12, Testosterone Cypionate, AI's, HCG, and Deca for older fguys , ,

Boy do I wish I had that option here in Las Vegas.
I'd pay just for the peace of mind.

[jwws9999]

I have decided to bite the bullet and I am going to Bodylifemd 1st blood work $499.00 every year and then $214 every mth there after for : B12, Testosterone Cypionate, AI's, HCG, and Deca for older fguys , , , lol like me with sever joint pain + 3 BW included in this price and I can order additional if I feel the need for more $$$ of course. They will try to balance TRT as quick as possible and then star HGH Another $318.00 per mth . for pain control this would be atleast a year from now and a lot changes in a year maybe lowtestosterone.com will be in Atlanta by then ? I am tiried of looking ! I don't have the money but I have to have this done the right way and I will make it work even it I have to deliver pizzas !

that sounds like a great deal. I use ugl's, but I'd switch for that

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

that sounds like a great deal. I use ugl's, but I'd switch for that

What are ugl's ? I tried to do it with docs and I found a local clinic . But quality doesn't have a price so I am going to fly to Orlando in Feb. I still have to figure out how to make an appointment they have a forum and they answer emails , prompt and professional ! So I will emal my desission and they may have an in with the airline who knows ? But lowtestosterone.com is the best you are going to get for the $$$$ they treat you smd they are professionals !

[lovbyts]

Good luck with the new place buzardMarinePumper, you deserve to find someone good by now. I cant believe your streak of bad luck finding complete whack jobs.

I do agree with her that 1000 is to much. Remember, more is not better. i would reach for 400 and see how you fell and work up a little at a time from there. Anything over 700 is HIGH. I love it when they tell men E2/Estrogen leves dont matter. No not until you start to lactate. lol

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Well I think the reason I responded so quickly was the high level of supplements I was taking and yes I could do as the formore poster suggested and Buy my own AI's and ON-LINE HCG but what are Dr. for I figured the cost of online self medicate and get Testosterone from the Doc and the difference in going to lowtestosterone.com is not that much of a difference whe I get reimbursed for my BW from Ins.
I went from 78 to 468 in 59 days and that was high supplement intake . But Dr. will not even consider higher and I want more and I need Ai's so why experiment on my body when there are experts out there .

There will come a time in my life if all goes as planned I will want to exceed TRT even at 53 so I need to be on the money and be well educated before I venture into uncharted areas. I was foolish in my 20's I want to be smart this time around. I keep being told by Dr. I should be dead so I want to be huge and healthy when I die and a tan would be nice in the next 5 years

Maybe even get off disability and be in the real world ?

[jwws9999]

Well I think the reason I responded so quickly was the high level of supplements I was taking and yes I could do as the formore poster suggested and Buy my own AI's and ON-LINE HCG but what are Dr. for I figured the cost of online self medicate and get Testosterone from the Doc and the difference in going to lowtestosterone.com is not that much of a difference whe I get reimbursed for my BW from Ins.
I went from 78 to 468 in 59 days and that was high supplement intake . But Dr. will not even consider higher and I want more and I need Ai's so why experiment on my body when there are experts out there .

There will come a time in my life if all goes as planned I will want to exceed TRT even at 53 so I need to be on the money and be well educated before I venture into uncharted areas. I was foolish in my 20's I want to be smart this time around. I keep being told by Dr. I should be dead so I want to be huge and healthy when I die and a tan would be nice in the next 5 years

Maybe even get off disability and be in the real world ?

Buzzard, I think you are going down the correct path, and hopefully things work out great for you.keep us posted

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Good luck with the new place buzardMarinePumper, you deserve to find someone good by now. I cant believe your streak of bad luck finding complete whack jobs.

I do agree with her that 1000 is to much. Remember, more is not better. i would reach for 400 and see how you fell and work up a little at a time from there. Anything over 700 is HIGH. I love it when they tell men E2/Estrogen leves dont matter. No not until you start to lactate. lol

I am going to the admin clinic in Orlando ! lowtestosterone.com

Why do you say she on the poster that said 1000 is a little high.

I have been on the mountain top but that was years ago ! SO I am going to get TRT squared away and try a couple of years of HGH and then Blast like no tomorrow at 57 what will I have to loose as I have stated there is so much more info today and who knows what available in 4 years ? You can buy peptides legally now on-line but the dose is the issue withpout the experts you could blow a ton of $$$.

on "GEAR" In the old days we thought you had to take an oral I am not convenced of that now !After HGH I think the proper stack of all injectables will give a 57 year old nut job all he desires ! . . . lol Not really a nut job just thinking out side the box from 90% of the other 57 yr old ppl that will be alive then

[lovbyts]

Im saying most people do not need there test levels at 1000 range ng/dL 348-1197 SE

You may be different and it may be a good number for you. If it was me I would work my way up slowly and keep track of how I felt along the way. I think it's better to be somewhere in the middle if you feel good and especially if you plan on blasting and cruising sometime in the future. The more you use now (staying at 1000) the less your body will react to a blast. That is at least the way I understand it; sort of the same reasoning you only run a cycle for 12-14 weeks because the receptors get over loaded and you stop making gains. Running at 1000 all the time could cause a problem long run?

Im sure the gurus will correct me shortly if I am way off base. I'm here to be schooled and dont want to pass out misinformation,.

Be smart and in regards to your HGH go to a longevity clinic to get a RX At your/our age you can get one easily and you wont have to deal with all the generic china crap.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

My goal is to go to lowtestosterone.com in Orlando in Feb and get my TRT on track . I coulld do it in Atlanta but the guys in Orlando are from this forum and even with air fair about the same cost if I can do 1 day trips with no over night stays. I am on a budget you would not believe ! $1450.00 a mth and make a little extra here and there when able to but not even enought to pay taxes on just odd jobs and online sales ! Paintball of all items !

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I finally got to give blood today after 3 trys ! Wonder how long before I will feel a difference ?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

didn't read the whole thing, but from the little I read I would have simply got out of there and kept looking for a good dr. to be honest from all the posts you been posting not sure what your goal is! are you looking to be treated for health or you want to find a clinic that will do what your heart desires?!

I plan to fly to Orlando in Feb . But may not be able to afford plane ticket. Son's car broke as in whole engine ?

I have been on the phone for 2 days seeking a Dr. in Atlanta area.

Can or will anyone suggest a good Dr. in Atlanta area ? PLEASE. I just want a well balanced and healthy TRT proticall . PLEASE ?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Can or will anyone suggest a good Dr. in Atlanta area ? PLEASE. I just want a well balanced and healthy TRT proticall . PLEASE ? ANyone have good contact for tickets from Atlanta to Orlando in Feb. Tight budget and need to get to Disney World . . . . . . . . . lol not really trying to get to lowtestosterone.com

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Bump ! Still trying to save airline fee to Orlando ?