When to up the dosage?

**Ricci82** · 01-12-2013, 12:51 PM

I have been taking 100mg every week for about 5 weeks now and my mood has gotten better but im dragging a$$. Besides my mood being good 3/4 of the time i have the same symptoms as i had before i started TRT. I have BW in 2 weeks. My question is how do you know when to up the dose for the cyp, quality of life? or based on BW?

**OLDANDWEAK** · 01-12-2013, 01:43 PM

Are you using HCG ? I would wait and see what the bloodwork says. It could be an issue of your estrodial being off, your thyroid, or something else. If you post complete BW here the experts will help you figure out what need to be done. It could also be that you just need more time, it took a couple of months before I started feeling really good.

**Ricci82** · 01-12-2013, 04:07 PM

Yes, HCG and an AI.

**steroid.com 1** · 01-12-2013, 04:25 PM

Need to see BW.

Had your Thyroid tested?

**TraceMYD** · 01-12-2013, 04:26 PM

If you are taking just one shot a week then try splitting up your weekly dose first, try 50mg on Monday am and 50mg on Thursday pm.

When I split up my dosage it make a wild of difference and got rid of that mid week dragging ass feeling.

**ironbeck** · 01-12-2013, 04:32 PM

How much AI? if your crushing your e2 lvs u will be tired and...well there has to be a balance.

**steroid.com 1** · 01-12-2013, 05:44 PM

Something is off; time for BW, everything else is speculation.

**Ricci82** · 01-12-2013, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by gdevine

Need to see BW.

Had your Thyroid tested?

I had my thyroid tested along with PSA 5 weeks ago when i was prescribed the cyp. They were good. BW is Jan24.

**Ricci82** · 01-12-2013, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by ironbeck

How much AI? if your crushing your e2 lvs u will be tired and...well there has to be a balance.

.25mg EOD, i am keeping a conscience effort as to not crash my E2.

I will try splitting up the dose, 50mg 2x per week.

**HRTstudent** · 01-12-2013, 07:04 PM

More T is often not the answer. If your T is 600+ I would either simply give things some time to even out, or look elsewhere.

I read more about people who say they went from, for example, 1000 T to 700 and felt better compared to people who say the opposite.

It just doesn't pan out that more is always more when it comes to T.

**steroid.com 1** · 01-12-2013, 08:28 PM

.25 mg of an AI EOD on 100 mg of testosterone may be excessive to be honest.

**Ricci82** · 01-12-2013, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by gdevine

.25 mg of an AI EOD on 100 mg of testosterone may be excessive to be honest.

I will cut it down to every 3 day and see how i feel.

**lovbyts** · 01-12-2013, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by HRTstudent

More T is often not the answer. If your T is 600+ I would either simply give things some time to even out, or look elsewhere.

I read more about people who say they went from, for example, 1000 T to 700 and felt better compared to people who say the opposite.

It just doesn't pan out that more is always more when it comes to T.

True but 100mg a week seems LOW. Most people are 150 - 200 for normal / middle ranges like 600 from what I have seen. Ill bet he is peaking around 400 a day or two after the shot then going under 300 especially with an AI.

Originally Posted by gdevine

.25 mg of an AI EOD on 100 mg of testosterone may be excessive to be honest.

^^^ My thoughts. I dont think he even needs an AI with only 100mg. That is a lot trt dose IMO.

**kelkel** · 01-12-2013, 10:13 PM

.25 AI eod is a ridiculous amount for 100mg per week. Op, consider the fact that most guys who cycle 500mg per week the standard AI dose used is .25mg eod. Do the math. You're crashing your E quicker than you think.

**Ryanmcd** · 01-12-2013, 10:20 PM

It depends on the person, I never have to take a AI on 100-150 a week ever my e2 is around 18.

on 100 a week day 7 I was 768
on 150 a week day 7 I was 1179

E2-18 no matter what the dose HCG 100 daily and 0 ai and a SHMB of 22.

**kelkel** · 01-12-2013, 10:23 PM

Not taking an AI should be everyones goal. I don't need one either and have naturally low E2 levels myself as well.

**Ricci82** · 01-14-2013, 05:53 PM

When i got my BW done about 3 months ago my E2 was 75. I posted it and a few of you commented about how i aromatise test more than usual. If i remember correctly and dont quote me on this someone said they were using an AI EOD at .25 with the same protocol i am doing. I decided to try that being that im without a doc on this. My next BW is Jan24. Since this post i have went to twice a week with the AI.

**HRTstudent** · 01-15-2013, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

True but 100mg a week seems LOW. Most people are 150 - 200 for normal / middle ranges like 600 from what I have seen. Ill bet he is peaking around 400 a day or two after the shot then going under 300 especially with an AI.

^^^ My thoughts. I dont think he even needs an AI with only 100mg. That is a lot trt dose IMO.

I really don't think most men are on 150-200mg of T per week. 200mg for most doctors is the cutoff limit as well.

Take, for example, Dr Mark Gordon who says almost all his patients are on 60-80mg per week and have good levels. A few months ago Dr Crisler made a statement saying he was going to start starting patients lower as well. He mentioned 80mg per week. This is all founded on the basis of more frequent injections, of course.

Personally, when I was on 100mg of T per week my T level troughed around 450. But when I switched to 3x a week for 125mg total per week, my "near"-trough was about double that. To me... that's pretty crazy!

But it's important to remember the pharmacodynamics of testosterone , the peak happens quite quickly and by 6-7 days it is only a fraction of what it was on day 2-3... I believe it leads many men to take more T than they "need."

**lovbyts** · 01-15-2013, 07:43 AM

Hmmm interesting. Well I it's been over a year since I had mine checked but I will be have it checked 2x in the next month. I run 175mg week and it was keeping me in the 450+ range if I remember right. But again everyone is different so I should not be so quick to generalize.

**Ricci82** · 01-15-2013, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by HRTstudent

I really don't think most men are on 150-200mg of T per week. 200mg for most doctors is the cutoff limit as well.

Take, for example, Dr Mark Gordon who says almost all his patients are on 60-80mg per week and have good levels. A few months ago Dr Crisler made a statement saying he was going to start starting patients lower as well. He mentioned 80mg per week. This is all founded on the basis of more frequent injections, of course.

Personally, when I was on 100mg of T per week my T level troughed around 450. But when I switched to 3x a week for 125mg total per week, my "near"-trough was about double that. To me... that's pretty crazy!

But it's important to remember the pharmacodynamics of testosterone, the peak happens quite quickly and by 6-7 days it is only a fraction of what it was on day 2-3... I believe it leads many men to take more T than they "need."

^^^ yes, i think i am guilty of this. I am going to 50 MG every 3 days. 100MG once a week (saturday), by wednesday night i was feeling like smashed ass. More shots, smaller doses makes sense to me.

**testytim** · 01-15-2013, 03:24 PM

i am a patient of dr gordon he has had me on 4 different prodoicols so far he tells me if you have to take a ai you are on to much T period. so far i have done 60mgs e6d i have tried 40mgs e3d also 20mgs e3d now i am on 30mgs e3d. he will ask me about 5-6 questions thats it.... he says when i answer all the questions to his liking he will do B/W.. NOT BEFORE.. waste of money he says go by how you feel first.... The rest is just numbers that dont mean anything everyone is different. When i feel good thats when you do b/w that will be my baseline numbers to go off of.. also FYI he says that 3 days is the right time line not 3.5 days IHO....

**HRTstudent** · 01-15-2013, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by testytim

i am a patient of dr gordon he has had me on 4 different prodoicols so far he tells me if you have to take a ai you are on to much T period. so far i have done 60mgs e6d i have tried 40mgs e3d also 20mgs e3d now i am on 30mgs e3d. he will ask me about 5-6 questions thats it.... he says when i answer all the questions to his liking he will do B/W.. NOT BEFORE.. waste of money he says go by how you feel first.... The rest is just numbers that dont mean anything everyone is different. When i feel good thats when you do b/w that will be my baseline numbers to go off of.. also FYI he says that 3 days is the right time line not 3.5 days IHO....

Very interesting!

I really don't want to hijack too much, but is this working for you? If you have a lot to share then please do start a new thread on how it's working for you compared to what you used to be doing. I know I would like to hear more about your experience with Dr Gordon.

**LevMyshkin** · 01-15-2013, 05:10 PM

I would think .25 of A-dex 3x/week (for a total of .75mg) would still be too much for 100mg test/week. I'm in 150mg/week and .5mg of A-dex had my estro getting a little too low. Luckily we have a compounding pharmacy near which makes .25mg A-dex caps. Sorted out with that dosage.

**HRTstudent** · 01-15-2013, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by LevMyshkin

I would think .25 of A-dex 3x/week (for a total of .75mg) would still be too much for 100mg test/week. I'm in 150mg/week and .5mg of A-dex had my estro getting a little too low. Luckily we have a compounding pharmacy near which makes .25mg A-dex caps. Sorted out with that dosage.

aromatization is widely variable. there are some people like myself who aromatize much much much more than others. some people have black hair, some have blonde, some have none... same thing with aromatase genes... everyone brings their own unique system to the table.

if I was taking 150mg in one shot per week, I would be getting gyno growth within a few weeks at only .5mg of anastrozole

more frequent, smaller injections seem to be very promising though at both e2 control and maintaining good T levels.

**Ricci82** · 01-15-2013, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by HRTstudent

aromatization is widely variable. there are some people like myself who aromatize much much much more than others. some people have black hair, some have blonde, some have none... same thing with aromatase genes... everyone brings their own unique system to the table.

if I was taking 150mg in one shot per week, I would be getting gyno growth within a few weeks at only .5mg of anastrozole

more frequent, smaller injections seem to be very promising though at both e2 control and maintaining good T levels.

Apparently i had a higher E2 level my whole life, and i am unfortunately one of the people that aromatises faster than the average bear. Its a work in progress, like i said before, other than you guys, i dont have anyone that knows this stuff. Doctors are useless. I tried going to a well known wellness clinic, but they wont call or email me back. The only thing i have is a ridiculously ignorant Endo that gives me free Cyp, the rest is one me. My brothers doc had him at 150mg a week and he didnt need an ai at all.