Restart

[Vahevahe]

Lets say theres this guy named Randy. He has been on testosterone cream for 3 months. He is getting better but he is young 24. He wants to attempt a restart on his own through a online pharmacy. What doeses of hcg Clomid and Nolvadex would he take throughout the retart process. Randy really appreciate any responses

Also is the liquid form of clomid and nolvadex injecting only or oral?

Are the results permanent or does he need to continue to take the medication?

[bass]

this is better posted in the PCT section, nolva and clomid are oral, hCG is injectable via sq. I guess nolva 40 mg ed and 20 mg clomid for 6 weeks, hCG 250 eod for 3 month.

[Vettester]

I would tell Randy that his doctor put him on Test cream, because he was diagnosed with hypogonadism, thus Randy is unable to produce any sufficient amount of endogenous testosterone . It doesn't make sense that Randy would would try to restart something that doesn't work. If it did work, the physician would not have put Randy on TRT to begin with.

[Vahevahe]

You know Vettester what your saying makes perfect sense. Its just a little hard for Randy to accept at such a young age. Is there any other alternative than trt at this point for him?

[sparverius]

Randy, or his doctors, can try to determine what caused his low T in the first place. It could be something that's treatable. If Randy's doctor didn't bother doing that and just put him on TRT, then Randy needs to find a better doctor.

If Randy can get the root cause determined and treated, a restart could get him off TRT.

[Vahevahe]

They did mris of pituitary, testies ultrasound, genetics test and a host of other test. They checked everything and they diagnosed him as problem with the connection between the pituitary and testis.

[asiandudexxx]

There are still some other factors that could be at fault. How's the thyroid? Was test low despite high LH? Was it low LH with low test? If so, could the testes produce if given sufficient LH? (HCG stim test) . If that works, will the pituitary pump out LH if given clomid (through GnRH secretion from the hypothalamus) There are still some functional tests that can be conducted to parse out your problem.

[Vettester]

Since this is going a little deeper with Randy, I would post up Randy's initial baseline labs prior to starting TRT. This will help us give Randy a good idea about the diagnosis, being primary or secondary, and the options that Randy could explore. Based on what you're describing in post #6, it sounds to be secondary hypo if the testicles were not getting the signal from the pituitary. Randy's baseline LH/FSH assays would help us a little more.

If indeed Randy's axis is suppressed, then did Randy indulge in some anabolics or PH's at some point? As AD pointed out, Randy's thyroid could be the culprit, as well as other pathologies.

[Vahevahe]

[Vahevahe]

Fsh is low, lh was 4 range was 1-9. Tsh hovers around 3 and no prior steroid use . Just supplements ie whey protien, no-xplode, and creatine a couple years back.

[flyrs]

This is always interesting to me....maybe Randy was hit in the head with a bat years ago because he posted PDFs too small to easily read ....so isn't there a way now to get his test flowing again at an adequate rate?

[lovbyts]

This is always interesting to me....maybe Randy was hit in the head with a bat years ago because he posted PDFs too small to easily read ....so isn't there a way now to get his test flowing again at an adequate rate?

Or maybe it was you who got hit by a bat because if you click on the pdf it enlarges to an easy size to read and if you click on it a 2nd time to enlarge it you would have to be 1/2 blind to not be able to read it even without glasses.

[flyrs]

Actually I got hit by a rock, but I tried again and I clicked on it once and it enlarges but it isn't very easy to read and I tried to expand it further and wasn't able....but now you said to click again so that helps a bunch, thanks...

[lovbyts]

Actually I got hit by a rock, but I tried again and I clicked on it once and it enlarges but it isn't very easy to read and I tried to expand it further and wasn't able....but now you said to click again so that helps a bunch, thanks...

No worries, just having fun same as you.

[Vahevahe]

These labs are all pre-trt.

[Vahevahe]

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