Any experience with Andriol (oral undecanoate)?

[Renholder]

Hello all,

Andriol was the first prescription my doctor gave me, but I decided to never use it as consensus during my very brief research indicated that oral testosterone was very ineffective.

Now, I'm learning that I may have been wrong about Andriol and that this product is a vast improvement compared to oral steroids from the past.

Anyone?

Thanks,

Renholder

[Back In Black]

What were the prescription instructions? From mu understanding it needs to be administered/swallowed several times a day.

[kelkel]

It may be a vast improvement only because it avoids the first pass and is absorbed differently. Still long term use can cause liver issues. On top of that it's just plain weak. Not worth it when there are better, more main-stream alternatives, IMHO.

[Renholder]

Official guidelines for protocol is 120-160 mg (40 mg per pill) for the first three weeks and then 40-120 mg daily.

I think the largest dose is supposed to be taken in the morning, but should be divided over a day.

Not really optimistic, but I'm interested in hearing if anyone actually have experience with it.

[kelkel]

I'm still holding my breath waiting for Nebido to jump the pond....

[Times Roman]

The gold standard is injections.

All other alternative delivery systems are designed to overcome the fear of needles. All other alternative delivery systems have some serious problems associated with it.

[Renholder]

The gold standard is injections.

All other alternative delivery systems are designed to overcome the fear of needles. All other alternative delivery systems have some serious problems associated with it.

I don't have any issue with needles, but practically speaking, swallowing a few pills is far easier than injecting, especially if you have a mobile lifestyle.

Still interested in hearing if anyone actually have real life experiences with Andriol . I read a few guys here on some older posts and most of them were juicing (not TRT), but many seemed favourable towards Andriol.

I'm thinking that maybe I should try it as it's fairly cheap here for a small box.

I'm still holding my breath waiting for Nebido to jump the pond....

If you intend to use it according to official protocol, you may end up disappointed.

[redz]

I helped one of my co-workers get trt and he was prescribed Andriol . I forget the dose but he definitely started putting some weight back on but he was taking quite a few of those pills.

[Times Roman]

I don't have any issue with needles, but practically speaking, swallowing a few pills is far easier than injecting, especially if you have a mobile lifestyle.

Still interested in hearing if anyone actually have real life experiences with Andriol . I read a few guys here on some older posts and most of them were juicing (not TRT), but many seemed favourable towards Andriol.

I'm thinking that maybe I should try it as it's fairly cheap here for a small box.



If you intend to use it according to official protocol, you may end up disappointed.

anadroil is harsh on the liver, and you should be taking liver protection if that is the way you want to go.

actually, injecting is far easier than swallowing pills, as with TRT, most only inject once a week, and with androil, to stabilize blood serum levels, you'll be swallowing pills ever 4 to six hours. So potentially, that is 42x a week you will have to swallow, compared to a single, more effective, less harsh injection

[marcus300]

anadroil is harsh on the liver, and you should be taking liver protection if that is the way you want to go.

actually, injecting is far easier than swallowing pills, as with TRT, most only inject once a week, and with androil, to stabilize blood serum levels, you'll be swallowing pills ever 4 to six hours. So potentially, that is 42x a week you will have to swallow, compared to a single, more effective, less harsh injection

Andriol isn't harsh on the liver mate. It's not absorbed the same way as normal tablets.

[Times Roman]

Andriol isn't harsh on the liver mate. It's not absorbed the same way as normal tablets.

ok. absorbed in the small intestine, NOT the liver....

....I stand corrected

[Renholder]

Well, I bought some and will be trying it for a week.

[wmaousley]

I was put on Andriol Tabs for 4 months prior to nebido, IMO it was a waste of stomach space for some good food. Only did it temporary to get the doc to give me nebido.

[Renholder]

I was put on Andriol Tabs for 4 months prior to nebido, IMO it was a waste of stomach space for some good food. Only did it temporary to get the doc to give me nebido.

No results from it at all?

I started a trial today while at the same time starting Nebido SubQ, 50 mg Monday/Thursday.

Are you satisfied with Nebido?

[kelkel]

Why both?

[marcus300]

No results from it at all?

I started a trial today while at the same time starting Nebido SubQ, 50 mg Monday/Thursday.

Are you satisfied with Nebido?

Inject Nebido as prescribe not sub-q at 50mgs, there have been studies going back 8yrs and 15yrs on nebido which cover injection protocols and testosterone levels please dont mkae your own up, no matter what calculations you have done inject it as prescribe

[Renholder]

Inject Nebido as prescribe not sub-q at 50mgs, there have been studies going back 8yrs and 15yrs on nebido which cover injection protocols and testosterone levels please dont mkae your own up, no matter what calculations you have done inject it as prescribe

Marcus,

I know you love Nebido and have great results with it, but surely you have to understand that there may be people who respond differently to it than you?

What about the fact that a lot of people experience strong spikes in E2 upon injecting Nebido and that your T/E2 is not the same at week 1 as week 8? That would be physically impossible.

Are you willing to differentiate between individuals with high or low SHBG, only to mention one variable?

Here's a success story from a guy who felt like SHIT on Nebido and is now feeling fantastic on a weekly protocol.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-success-story

A friend of mine has already started doing SubQ and is loving it.

From all I'm reading and learning, TRT is not a one-fit-all type of protocol. What works for one guy, may not work for another. Individual differences require individual protocols. While I would have LOVED to inject only every 8-10 weeks and feel great, reality is that I don't. And I've been on Nebido for over 6 months now.

I would appreciate it if you answer my questions and not only deflect it with how great Nebido is.

Best,

Renholder

[Renholder]

Why both?

I'm not really optimistic about Andriol and Nebido SubQ will take some time to build-up. That should allow me to give Andriol a trial and hopefully give me a little boost for the first 1-2 weeks. Should I be surprised, maybe I would be interested in trying Andriol alone at a later stage. But I honestly prefer injections anyway.

At least that was the idea...

[kelkel]

Ok. Are you planning BW in the near future for comparison purposes?

[Renholder]

Ok. Are you planning BW in the near future for comparison purposes?

Andriol is only a weekly trial, so I will gauge that one by subjective feeling at first. It's quick acting, so I really should know within a week if it does have an effect.

Regarding the SubQ Nebido, I will get bloodwork yes, but probably not before 5-6 weeks. I'm just as curious about the BW I took today, 9 weeks after my last Nebido injection (while using HCG ).

[Rusty11]

The gold standard is injections.

All other alternative delivery systems are designed to overcome the fear of needles. All other alternative delivery systems have some serious problems associated with it.

Not that it really matters, but I'd say that this is true for some, not for others. I have no issues with Testim and 100hcg/day. A nice level of 800-1000. Thats good enough for this 51yr old. It would seem that from reading this forum, ppl injecting have numerous issues,,,e2 being the biggest culprit. And, nothing to fear with pinning. For me, if it 'ain't broke, don't fix it.

Edit: just realizing my post has nothing to do with the op's question....sorry

[Renholder]

Not that it really matters, but I'd say that this is true for some, not for others. I have no issues with Testim and 100hcg/day. A nice level of 800-1000. Thats good enough for this 51yr old. It would seem that from reading this forum, ppl injecting have numerous issues,,,e2 being the biggest culprit. And, nothing to fear with pinning. For me, if it 'ain't broke, don't fix it.

Edit: just realizing my post has nothing to do with the op's question....sorry

No worries, you're totally right. I believe Dr John says gels are his recommended form of TRT, but that most people want the injections. I'm one of them, since I work out and sweat a lot and I rather prefer a needle over daily application. That does not mean I may get better results from needles. In fact, I know people who do better on gels.

Still waiting for Marcus' answer.

[kelkel]

TRT is a balancing act. Whatever you feel the best on and fits your lifestyle is what's best for you.

[61er]

The gold standard is injections.

All other alternative delivery systems are designed to overcome the fear of needles. All other alternative delivery systems have some serious problems associated with it.

No. Pellets are designed for convenience. You completely forget you're being treated for 3-4 months. My endo reports no serious problems with his patients. I'm sticking with this treatment.