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    Most likely, only blood work will tell. However, since I've been using insulin pins for test injections now, it's made them that much more of a breeze.

    I am sensitive to AIs. Even low to moderate doses knock my E2 in the dirt.

    I am wondering if EOD test injections will make a noticeable improvement on my E2 levels to the point where I don't need an AI. The injection part is easy, but I could see loading the syringes a pain that many times a week. Therefore, I was thinking I could just preload several syringes at a time.

    Example would be 20mg Test EOD yielding TRT dosage of 140mg a week.

    Thoughts on all this?
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    Yes, it will have a positive effect on E2 levels.

    For most men, low doses more frequently will have less impact on serum spikes and hence less influence on aromitase activity.

    Why daily transdermal users rarely have to use an AI.

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    I'm gonna try this protocol for several weeks leading up to my next BW.

    Question on esters. Would a shorter eater like prop be more beneficial or would it even matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Diamond View Post
    I'm gonna try this protocol for several weeks leading up to my next BW.

    Question on esters. Would a shorter eater like prop be more beneficial or would it even matter?
    Everything you need is here: http://www.steroid.com/Testosterone-Propionate.php and here: http://www.steroid.com/Testosterone-Cypionate.php

    I personally like the longer cleaved esters and most men do. We don't see Prop used much in TRT these days and stable serum levels is always our goal.

    Thanks again B!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gdevine View Post
    Prop and Cyp are so close in molecular structure and how the esters are cleaved I wouldn't worry about it...Cyp seems to be the Test of choice however.
    You confused prop and enanthate .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonaparte View Post
    You confused prop and enanthate.
    Yikes, yes I did, thanks B!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Diamond View Post
    Most likely, only blood work will tell. However, since I've been using insulin pins for test injections now, it's made them that much more of a breeze.

    I am sensitive to AIs. Even low to moderate doses knock my E2 in the dirt.

    I am wondering if EOD test injections will make a noticeable improvement on my E2 levels to the point where I don't need an AI. The injection part is easy, but I could see loading the syringes a pain that many times a week. Therefore, I was thinking I could just preload several syringes at a time.

    Example would be 20mg Test EOD yielding TRT dosage of 140mg a week.

    Thoughts on all this?
    There's two really good things that often come from switching to frequent subcutaneous injections when coming from 1/wk intramuscular.

    First of all, you'll find that you often need less aromatase inhibitors, and many people can come off completely.

    The second change is many, if not most, people realize their testosterone levels are much more stable - that mean lower peaks and higher troughs. This leads to them needing to inject less Testosterone each week. We often measure trough T levels, but the dropoff is not steady - it drops off faster, and this means many people overmedicate because 7 days after a shot they have really low levels... but part of the weak they have supraphysiologic levels!

    Now, that second point has the added bonus that because you may need less T injected each week, you'll further improve the chances that you need no AI at all. That is, in my opinion, the ideal situation: to avoid an AI altogether and maintain healthy estradiol levels.

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