Creams VS injectablez

[ali.jones]

In TRT, does both work efficiently or Injectables are more efficient ? What's the different in efficiency ?

[VTX1800]

In TRT, does both work efficiently or Injectables are more efficient ? What's the different in efficiency ?

Hey man, let me be the first to tell you To use the search engine (that's what it's there for) and read then re read, then re read again all the stickys at the top of the HRT forum. It will show you the light!

Gels are good for some, not so much for others. I think the majority of these guys will tell you that injections are the way to go. But it's your body, make the best of it.

[kelkel]

Hi Ali.

It's a personal choice and should depend on what fits your lifestyle and your family. Most here prefer injections but some do very well on gels. Gels are still testosterone just a different method of delivery. In most cases with transdermals you do not need AI's which is a plus. HCG should still be used as your HPTA will still be shut down.

Efficiency is up to your individual physiology. Meaning how well you absorb the gels. Some do really well and others just don't. I did ok on gels just got tired of the daily application even though it only takes a minute or so. I also had to use a lot to obtain the level I desired. There's nothing wrong with starting with gels and then switching to injectables if the need arises.

Kel

[VTX1800]

Hi Ali.

It's a personal choice and should depend on what fits your lifestyle and your family. Most here prefer injections but some do very well on gels. Gels are still testosterone just a different method of delivery. In most cases with transdermals you do not need AI's which is a plus. HCG should still be used as your HPTA will still be shut down.


Efficiency is up to your individual physiology. Meaning how well you absorb the gels. Some do really well and others just don't. I did ok on gels just got tired of the daily application even though it only takes a minute or so. I also had to use a lot to obtain the level I desired. There's nothing wrong with starting with gels and then switching to injectables if the need arises.

Kel

That's what I meant to say...yup.

[Blitz777]

The brand name gels tend to be far more expensive than injectable test but may be more reasonable through a compounding pharmacy. Also, with gels I would be worried about transfer to other people you come in contact with. I don't want my girl to have a fuller beard than me.

[2Sox]

I started with patches, went to pellets, switched to Androgel 1.6%. Did VERY well on all of them but I'm trying injections now to see where I go with them. I'm lucky.

My philosophy is to start conservatively and see what works best for you. Of course, cost factors into the equation but it's mostly about how you feel. Pellets cost me nothing - covered by insurance. Patches and Gels cost me about $40 a month each - no hcg with any because my doc won't treat with it. A clinic I just looked into charges $210 a month for test and hcg injections. It's a choice.

[ali.jones]

Thanks for the advise guys

[redz]

no hcg with any because my doc won't treat with it.

There seems to be a lot of dumb doctors out there. Too bad they won`t get with the times.

[2Sox]

There seems to be a lot of dumb doctors out there. Too bad they won`t get with the times.

Got that right!

[ali.jones]

Don't you guys think it's better to go on injectables instead of trying patches etc, if I try and it doesn't work for me then waste of time and money

<Sad Jones>

[MuscleInk]

There seems to be a lot of dumb doctors out there. Too bad they won`t get with the times.

Many of the internists simply follow prescribing guidelines for treating low testosterone without appropriate training in interventional neuroendocrinology.

[sirmike]

I read that gels are far better than any other way of dosing
I read ( don't know if true but ) gels are like cells of a young man shots are like an older man
And pellets are not for anyone ..
I prefer the pins my self just cause I have two girls that hang on there daddy alot ..
I started my therapy ... At mg/dl was at 200 ... After some time 2months on
Androgel wich was great .. Blood work was at 325 started pins .. 200 mg every week (also in link)
I had blood work done between 11th and 12 th pin mg/dl was at 1100
Amazing is how I feel .. Concentration energy etc ... Amazing !!
Most Trt dr s. can compound gels up to 10% instead of 1.62 androgel
Anyway good luck ...

[ali.jones]

I read that gels are far better than any other way of dosing
I read ( don't know if true but ) gels are like cells of a young man shots are like an older man
And pellets are not for anyone ..
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When you say gels that means CREAM? I was talking to a clinic in Perth and they do send testosterone via mail after your blood test at local lab but he said they got CREAMS, does he mean GELS, is it a same thing?

<Sad Jones>

[VTX1800]

per Dr. Crisler thoughts...



TESTOSTERONE GELS AND CREAMS

The only way to go, in my professional opinion, if physician and patient agree on a transdermal (TD) delivery system. Or TRT at all. As I have gained knowledge and experience, my position is now that TD’s are vastly superior to other modalities in TRT medicine. They are easy to apply, usually well absorbed, and rapidly establish stable serum androgen levels (by the end of the third day). I recommend all practitioners first try a testosterone gel for their TRT patients. Gels are better than creams, as I want the rapid T uptake into the dermal layer, which serves as reservoir for distribution throughout the day. Men do better on lower serum T levels on TD’s than IM.

The constant variability of serum androgens provided by T gels mimic the hormones of a young man; the stable daily level provided by T injections mimic the hormones of an old man; those of implantable pellets mimic the hormones of no one. Entropic hormone levels are part and parcel of the process of youth.
Much is made of the risk posed by accidental transferal of testosterone to others, such as children or sexual partners. Simply covering with a T-shirt has been shown to block transfer of the hormone. The testosterone sinks into the skin within an hour. One may shower, or even swim, without worry, usually after four hours. I remind my patients most of us have neither the time, nor the opportunity, for romance until evening (given the usual early morning application), and a quick shower is always nice for a gentleman to “freshen up” prior to same.

Gels and creams, like all transdermal delivery systems, provide a greater boost in DHT levels, compared to injectable testosterone preparations. As DHT is responsible for all the things of manhood--literally, *************--the transdermals are better at treating sexual dysfunction than are injectables. However, issues of hair loss (which I treat with a compounded topical DHT blocking mixture) and possible prostate morbidity (a contentiously debatable point, to be sure, but resolved in the negative to my mind) then come into play. This might be a good time to mention I vehemently oppose adding finasteride or similar medication.

[kelkel]

Yes, but I believe Crisler now does a twice weekly injection protocol for his T. He also recommends HCG at small doses daily.

[Rusty11]

I believe the quote was, "Creams are for girls and gels are for guys".