Confusion about DHEA

[2Sox]

DHEA is known as "the mother of all hormones" - a precursor to testosterone and many take it as a supplement to improve health. It is also known to interfere with testosterone absorption, for lack of a better word. Seems contradictory. Can someone help clear this up??

[Allaaro]

I've had low DHEA levels and high levels with medication for it. Honestly don't notice a difference. I think if your on TRT it doesn't matter that much what DHEA is. Will be dropping my DHEA meds soon to see if I feel a difference without them.

[steroid.com 1]

Read the stickies, please.

[MickeyKnox]

DHEA is known as "the mother of all hormones" - a precursor to testosterone and many take it as a supplement to improve health. It is also known to interfere with testosterone absorption, for lack of a better word. Seems contradictory. Can someone help clear this up??

Read the stickies, please.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...w#.UTEs1TcUX0E

[2Sox]

Read it before I posted. I don't see where the content anywhere answers my original question. Could have missed it...

[steroid.com 1]

DHEA is known as "the mother of all hormones" - a precursor to testosterone and many take it as a supplement to improve health. It is also known to interfere with testosterone absorption, for lack of a better word. Seems contradictory. Can someone help clear this up??

I have no idea what "testosterone absorption" means.

Just so I can help you with your posts; when you post something like "It is also known to interfere with testosterone absorption" it's best to back it up with a study or paper by medical researchers or practitioners so there is some legitimacy to your statement.

Just saying "It is also known to interfere with testosterone absorption" can throw a lot of members and visitors off on what is true and what is not.

Not beating you up man; I just want you to do some of your own research on something like this an add it to your post so it makes it for a more valid discussion.

Know what I mean?

[2Sox]

g,

You're definitely not beating me up. It's good to get constructive criticism from anywhere. The whole idea of this forum is for us all to be useful to each other and learn and to feel we're not alone on our journey.

The first time I saw a reference to DHEA and testosterone "absorption" (that's my term) was in Eugene Shippen's book on page 212. He lists it under "Some drugs and substances compete for testosterone cellular receptors or change metabolism indirectly." At this point, he doesn't expand on this idea but DHEA is listed among them. He mentions DHEA and this concept at another point in his book and I'll try to find that for you all and forward the direct quote. Granted, this book is fifteen years old and other research has probably emerged but the idea did stay with me as I read posts here about DHEA and it's enthusiastic use by forum members. My mistake was to assume that Shippen was unquestionably correct. Bad move in light of the absence of footnotes.

[suprarob]

Read the stickies, please.

gdevine you have been great esp with answering my newbie questions. It appears you are a Monitor for the board. Here is something to keep in mind as my son has the largest cc forum in the world. He is an internet genius imo. Ok the reason I say this is he says Google loves fresh content and to never discourage or redirect newbies. Instead answer them in a complete way including many key phases. He says that Google loves this and the bots recognize fresh content and move the forum to the top of the search engine. This in turn brings new people to the forum who support advertisers and forum sales. It's a win win if we don't stifle newbies.

He says that many lurk but are a afraid to ask questions so as to not appear dumb. Yes you understand it clearly like I understand search engines and my field. I even make dvds and they are the top sellers in my field because I know my stuff so well. I am an admin on his site and some just need it spelled out. There will always be some lazy bastards who won't research but rebuffing everyone will not solve that issue.

To illustrate. One person might excel in science while another might be a genius in math. He just may not get it in one area but a person who does can break it down simply. You have that knack with steroids and TRT. Count your blessings my freind. And just consider giving us,me included,the ones who just don't quite get it even after reading it numerous times. We just need it simply spelled out for us. Hope you understand because I respect your knowledge in this area. I have learned a great deal from you answering my newbie posts.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...g#.UTH_zBk0Mcg

Respectfully,

Rob

PS:If you get a minute I am having a brain block with Hcg mixing. I posted it in this thread below. I have a feeling you seen it but figured I've done enough for this newbie lol. Could really use your help though. I am having a brain freeze over the subject.

[2Sox]

Supra,

Great comments. I so much agree. Everyone has their own learning style - and learning curve. I spent thirty years teaching science and communication arts in high school and one very important thing I learned is to NEVER discourage anyone from asking questions - no matter how "out there" they may seem at first. (As authorities in our field there is a temptation to be impatient and we have to fight that.) Not only does it have a very bad effect on the "kids" and discourages them, but it's the fastest way to put a halt to student participation. The idea easily applies to Internet forums.

[HRTstudent]

If you inject testosterone ... you're getting it all.

DHEA or not...

[MickeyKnox]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...g#.UTH_zBk0Mcg

Respectfully,

Rob

PS:If you get a minute I am having a brain block with Hcg mixing. I posted it in this thread below. I have a feeling you seen it but figured I've done enough for this newbie lol. Could really use your help though. I am having a brain freeze over the subject.

I posted the answer in there for you.

Whats a "cc" Forum?

[steroid.com 1]

In the HCG sticky I recently updated to include a presentation on DHEA that renowned hormonal Physician Dr. Neal Rouzier, MD presented at an A4M conference. It's wonderful take a look if you haven't read it. In short, he likes DHEA levels to be at or very near the top of the reference range. Read and you will see why.

I've never once read anywhere where DHEA competes with Testosterone and if it were a concern we'd all know about it for sure.

Shippen's book, while cutting edge at the time is was published, is so very outdated now. There is much more new and relevant publications to learn.

OT. Regarding the reconstitution of 4000 units of HCG, the question was answered in that thread. You need 1.6ml of Bac water to get 250 iu's per the 10 mark on your insulin syringe.