Question about Dr Crisler injection sub q video

[highpsi]

My 29g needles came today! Anyway I watched the video and compared to him I could use a 2" and not hit abs at the moment It would seem that with the needle length used he would hit his ab muscles? He appeared to jab it all the way. I have 29gX 1/2, how far would I stick that into the ole gut?

[Trific]

I'd be worried that if I put my test into a bunch of fat that my body wouldn't get it and my test level would stay low.

I think with a half inch needle I'd pin the upper outer thigh.

Just my 5 cents....

[swm1972]

I'd be worried that if I put my test into a bunch of fat that my body wouldn't get it and my test level would stay low.

I think with a half inch needle I'd pin the upper outer thigh.

Just my 5 cents....

It will still get absorbed. There are blood vessels in your fatty tissue too.

[Trific]

It will still get absorbed. There are blood vessels in your fatty tissue too.

I've been watching the subq vs IM debate for months and it's just my opinion that I would pin IM when starting out and after I'm comfortable with my total level and I'm all dialed in then maybe try subq or maybe a mixture.

[bethdoth]

I am between 16-18%bf, can still pinch a half inch on my belly. I injected in my belly fat every 3.5days for 6 weeks and my T went from 304 to 394. Right after that lab I switched to my thighs for 6 weeks, T went from 394 to 842 in 6 weeks. Everyone is different but, for me it did seem to absorb better in the thigh, and I use a 1/2 needle. Good luck.

I'd be worried that if I put my test into a bunch of fat that my body wouldn't get it and my test level would stay low.

I think with a half inch needle I'd pin the upper outer thigh.

Just my 5 cents....

[ronmexico]

My BF is probably around 10%...I use 1/2 needles and going straight in the belly seems like it would hit muscle (might be wishful thinking)so I pin the love handle area at an angle. Has worked well so far.

[FRDave]

I inject sub-Q with a 26g 3/8" needle and didn't notice much at first injecting in the gut area (bruised quite often). I have since switched to sub-q in the love handles and glutes and my test levels are 750 with only 100mg per week.

The glutes I feel nothing and do not bruise. In the love handles there is a slight pinch and bruise every now and then, so inject test in glutes and HCG in love handles with a 30g needle and all is good.

Dave

[bethdoth]

For you guys that would like this to be as pain free as possible try this. Get your injection all set up then choose your site. Take an ice cube and massage the site with the ice cube for about 20-30 seconds. Dry, clean with alcohol, pinch up the fat don't squeeze to hard, then just push the needle straight in, slowly inject, while releasing the pinch and most important remove the needle quickly and straight out. I rarely feel any pain or bruise, there is the typical slight soreness the next day but it goes away quickly.

I know a lot of guys use the smaller gauge needles 29-31 to pin T. I personally feel this is to small and causes the bruising. I think it was Dr Crisler that explained it was like a fine jet blast coming out of the needle and causes tissue damage. Interesting while looking for his post I found this http://www.*************.com/forum/p...7&pp=15&page=6 he says don't warm up your T? More confusion!!!

[Rusty11]

Good advice...similar to the nurse who would slap my ass hard, then shove the needle in. Never felt a thing.

[Moparman]

I take it that intramuscular in the butt cheek puts more T into your system faster??

[LT75]

Good advice...similar to the nurse who would slap my ass hard, then shove the needle in. Never felt a thing.

LOL. I hope she was hot.

[swm1972]

I am between 16-18%bf, can still pinch a half inch on my belly. I injected in my belly fat every 3.5days for 6 weeks and my T went from 304 to 394. Right after that lab I switched to my thighs for 6 weeks, T went from 394 to 842 in 6 weeks. Everyone is different but, for me it did seem to absorb better in the thigh, and I use a 1/2 needle. Good luck.

Interesting. I wonder what happened to all that test you injected that didn't appear on your labs. That's weird.

[Trific]

Interesting. I wonder what happened to all that test you injected that didn't appear on your labs. That's weird.

Maybe a guy just ends up with oily skin...

[bethdoth]

I know it doesn't make sense. It had to absorb or there would be lumps of T in my belly?? All I know is those are the numbers I got, don't know exactly why?

Interesting. I wonder what happened to all that test you injected that didn't appear on your labs. That's weird.

[rockmon]

Rhoag,

Are you doing IM on suq injections in your thigh?

[Rusty11]

LOL. I hope she was hot.

If she looked like your avi, I'd have requested daily injections.

[bethdoth]

SubQ in the thigh. I can't pinch up much fat on my thigh but with a 1/2 needle there is plenty of fat. I have been considering alternating IM with SubQ but, decided I better just get dialed in and stay there for awhile.

Rhoag,

Are you doing IM on suq injections in your thigh?

[Boscogto]

Been doing Sub-q for over a year along with HcG .

It took a while upping dosages to hit sweet spot dial in. I'm a hyper-excreter so I need more than avg Joe.

I do EOD with 27ga 1/2" doesn't hurt at all no issues and levels are quite good.

FYI I'm 6'5" 240lbs and 13% BF no issues pinching a small amount of abdominal skin and injecting painlessly

[SEOINAGE]

Been doing Sub-q for over a year along with HcG .

It took a while upping dosages to hit sweet spot dial in. I'm a hyper-excreter so I need more than avg Joe.

I do EOD with 27ga 1/2" doesn't hurt at all no issues and levels are quite good.

FYI I'm 6'5" 240lbs and 13% BF no issues pinching a small amount of abdominal skin and injecting painlessly

I'm also a hyper excreter and just switched to subq eod, doing 60 mg at each inject. I won't know if it's working till this blast is out of my system, But I want to change my hcg protocol, it was twice a week, but now want to do eod or ed, what do you do?

Also for others, I have a tiny 3/8" needle and I have no problem getting it into my thick fat, don't need longer still gets in there.

[Boscogto]

I do both HcG and T-cyp EOD

Wow 60mg EOD is a lot.....I do about 2/3 of that and stay in the high 800's.

Are you taking any E control? Conversion is less with sug-q and higher frequency lower dose but your starting to stretch lower dose limit like me.

Overall it's working great only remaining issue is some residual ED, about 50% mental and 50% physical

[clarkster]

I am between 16-18%bf, can still pinch a half inch on my belly. I injected in my belly fat every 3.5days for 6 weeks and my T went from 304 to 394. Right after that lab I switched to my thighs for 6 weeks, T went from 394 to 842 in 6 weeks. Everyone is different but, for me it did seem to absorb better in the thigh, and I use a 1/2 needle. Good luck.

rhoag- Did you up your dose at all? The question that I have is, does it become a IM shot when you pin in your thigh since it's more muscle and less fat or is it still considered Sub Q?

[SEOINAGE]

rhoag- Did you up your dose at all? The question that I have is, does it become a IM shot when you pin in your thigh since it's more muscle and less fat or is it still considered Sub Q?

You are either in the muscle or you are in the fat, if you are in an area you can pinch, and tense up and obviously the muscle isn't in that pinch then you know you aren't in the muscle. Pretty basic, you'll be able to tell.

[SEOINAGE]

I do both HcG and T-cyp EOD

Wow 60mg EOD is a lot.....I do about 2/3 of that and stay in the high 800's.

Are you taking any E control? Conversion is less with sug-q and higher frequency lower dose but your starting to stretch lower dose limit like me.

Overall it's working great only remaining issue is some residual ED, about 50% mental and 50% physical

I was on 100 mg every 3.5 days. and my blood work came back low 800s, and e2 at 40 without an ai. I have been taking an ai recently, it dropped my e2 down to lower mid 30s, with .5mgx2 a week. I'm taking less than that now, but once this subq method pans out I will drop the ai and dial it back some if possible. I tried running subq at 75 mgx2 a week and it wasn't enough, don't have blood work, just after a few weeks I started to feel like trash. Everyone is different, some people can achieve the same numbers as me with small doses like 80 mg a week. Also one of the times I lowered my dose i started having erection quality issues that were worse than anything prior to trt, which makes me think I was extremely low, but either way something was off at a minimum. I'm going to be doing one thing at a time, so the next step after stabilizing with the subq is to drop the ai, and if I get some weird stuff going on pin point it so I'm not associating the wrong thing.

Maybe I will try hcg with my test like you do, that would beat out having to pin every day, not to mention easier to remember when I did it.

It may sound bad that I'm trying to change my protocol myself, but my doctor is pretty lenient on things, if i try a change he suggests and I feel it isn't working he'll get me back to how I want to feel. But when I brought up subq he was kind of at a loss so I gave his nurse some information about it. Hopefully he will do some research and jump on board, so I am a bit hesitant to say i went with this route anyways, but part of me wants to do the blood work and say well see subq works.

[clarkster]

I was on 100 mg every 3.5 days. and my blood work came back low 800s, and e2 at 40 without an ai. I have been taking an ai recently, it dropped my e2 down to lower mid 30s, with .5mgx2 a week. I'm taking less than that now, but once this subq method pans out I will drop the ai and dial it back some if possible. I tried running subq at 75 mgx2 a week and it wasn't enough, don't have blood work, just after a few weeks I started to feel like trash. Everyone is different, some people can achieve the same numbers as me with small doses like 80 mg a week. Also one of the times I lowered my dose i started having erection quality issues that were worse than anything prior to trt, which makes me think I was extremely low, but either way something was off at a minimum. I'm going to be doing one thing at a time, so the next step after stabilizing with the subq is to drop the ai, and if I get some weird stuff going on pin point it so I'm not associating the wrong thing.

Maybe I will try hcg with my test like you do, that would beat out having to pin every day, not to mention easier to remember when I did it.

It may sound bad that I'm trying to change my protocol myself, but my doctor is pretty lenient on things, if i try a change he suggests and I feel it isn't working he'll get me back to how I want to feel. But when I brought up subq he was kind of at a loss so I gave his nurse some information about it. Hopefully he will do some research and jump on board, so I am a bit hesitant to say i went with this route anyways, but part of me wants to do the blood work and say well see subq works.

Sounds like you've got an understanding Doc and is willing to think outside the box. And you're right some people at 75mg. SubQ might feel great while 75mg. IM feel even better. Everybody really is different when it comes to how the body absorbs SubQ or IM. Are you going to switch your hCG to 3X a week at 250iu?

[SEOINAGE]

yeah just started few days ago, 250 iux3.5 times a week, so eod.