Scar Tissue Worry

**clarkster** · 04-06-2013, 01:23 PM

It seems that the issue with TRT and pinning IM is the fear of years of possible scar tissue. Is this something to worry about? Is there any studies about long term IM injections?

**MickeyKnox** · 04-06-2013, 01:32 PM

Scar tissue will build up over time, but if you rotate your injection sites frequently you should not experience any serious complications. And keep in mind, it takes awhile to build up problematic scar tissue. However, occasionally you will inject into a small bit of scar tissue and find the plunger almost impossible to move. Simple pull the needle back (not out) and relocate inject point. That usually solves any scaring build up problems.

**austinite** · 04-06-2013, 01:39 PM

You could also go subQ if your protocol doesn't require a lot of volume. 1/2 ML or less...

**austinite** · 04-06-2013, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Scar tissue will build up over time, but if you rotate your injection sites frequently you should not experience any serious complications. And keep in mind, it takes awhile to build up problematic scar tissue. However, occasionally you will inject into a small bit of scar tissue and find the plunger almost impossible to move. Simple pull the needle back (not out) and relocate inject point. That usually solves any scaring build up problems.

"Pull the needle back (not out) and relocate "... not sure I understand. Seems that might cause some unnecessary tears in the muscle that could cause swelling.

***system admin*** · 04-06-2013, 01:52 PM

The injectable testosterone you can find now a days can be done with very small needles and will not be an issue. Changing injection sites is also a good idea.

**MickeyKnox** · 04-06-2013, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

"Pull the needle back (not out) and relocate "... not sure I understand. Seems that might cause some unnecessary tears in the muscle that could cause swelling.

Anytime i have problems with scar tissue or nerve endings, i pull back about a 1/4" and carefully move needle tip (this requires very little movement at the plunger end of needle) adjacent to original location. This is literally a 1/4" or less. I have never experienced any additional PIP with this process. I hope ive described it properly.

***system admin*** · 04-06-2013, 03:12 PM

Studies have shown that Testosterone does NOT need to be injected into the muscle to be absorbed, so going deep with a large needle is not necessary. I HATE that tingling feeling when i start to get a nerve lol

I am anxious to get my hands on the new testosterone that can be injected with tiny needle

**austinite** · 04-06-2013, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by system admin

Studies have shown that Testosterone does NOT need to be injected into the muscle to be absorbed, so going deep with a large needle is not necessary. I HATE that tingling feeling when i start to get a nerve lol

I am anxious to get my hands on the new testosterone that can be injected with tiny needle

Once you go 31 gauge, you never go back!

***system admin*** · 04-06-2013, 09:25 PM

Thats what i hear! Im anxious to get started. I have another 8 weeks left in my current prescription, so so I will join that lucky group of people lol

**Times Roman** · 04-06-2013, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by system admin

Studies have shown that Testosterone does NOT need to be injected into the muscle to be absorbed, so going deep with a large needle is not necessary. I HATE that tingling feeling when i start to get a nerve lol

I am anxious to get my hands on the new testosterone that can be injected with tiny needle

agree.

when i went in for my injections, it was not IM but SubQ.

drawing with anything other than an 18ga is a "pain in the ass". But you can inject with much smaller, like a 25ga.

**Times Roman** · 04-06-2013, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Once you go 31 gauge, you never go back!

31ga???

I guess it could work. why not? you control the pressure.

the only concern i would have is the amount of pressure needed, it would be best to have a screw on needle instead of a friction needle.

Ever have a tip come off due to applying too much pressure?

***system admin*** · 04-06-2013, 09:32 PM

TR,

This new stuff doesnt require that much pressure. Its crazy actually. Its like an normal injection

**Times Roman** · 04-06-2013, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by system admin

TR,

This new stuff doesnt require that much pressure. Its crazy actually. Its like an normal injection

what do you mean?

it's not viscous like oil?

more like the viscosity of water?

***system admin*** · 04-06-2013, 09:43 PM

EXACTLY and it is absorbed the same way. I have been asked to name this medicine if you can believe that? I know that sounds like bull sh!t, but I am serious! lol The guy that came out with this new stuff is one of my pharmacists. My staff came up with the name "Test SQ"

**Times Roman** · 04-06-2013, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by system admin;648****

EXACTLY and it is absorbed the same way. I have been asked to name this medicine if you can believe that? I know that sounds like bull sh!t, but I am serious! lol The guy that came out with this new stuff is one of my pharmacists. My staff came up with the name "Test SQ"

No shit?

You should throw a patent on that real quick.

one of the damn problems (maybe not a trt dose) of injecting is the viscosity, is as if it were "mud" and squeezing it out is a real chore. especially through a 5ml syringe like i do from time to time....

**clarkster** · 04-06-2013, 10:06 PM

Where do I find the *new* stuff?

***system admin*** · 04-06-2013, 10:12 PM

Our treatment program

**VTX1800** · 04-07-2013, 06:30 AM

Back in the day When on aas I was using 20 gauge needles bc I was young and didnt know any better. Every time I would inject IM I would have this huge ass knot on my hip/butt cheek. It would hurt so bad! I was also on a cocktail of assorted aas, (young and dumb!!!!)

**LT75** · 04-07-2013, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by VTX1800

Back in the day When on aas I was using 20 gauge needles bc I was young and didnt know any better. Every time I would inject IM I would have this huge ass knot on my hip/butt cheek. It would hurt so bad! I was also on a cocktail of assorted aas, (young and dumb!!!!)

I always use a foam roller or PVC pipe after injections to dissipate the cyp and massage the muscle.

**bertgamble** · 04-07-2013, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by system admin

Our treatment program

Has this new product been tested and proven safe and effective? How long have your people been prescribing it? Have there been any negative effects?

I will be getting prescriptions from your pharmacy soon, so I would like to know these things.

Bert

**sparverius** · 04-07-2013, 09:50 PM

Regular test cyp. works with a 31g needle. It just takes a while to load.

**ImpeccableChaos** · 04-07-2013, 09:52 PM

I have used Watson Test and now i am using Pfizer Depo Test Cyp. I can withdraw from vial with 29 or 30g insulin pin, it just takes some time. And when I inject it takes a bit of pressure but not that much. Is there a newer Test out there that is even easier and thinner to use?

**ImpeccableChaos** · 04-07-2013, 09:54 PM

Is scar tissue less of an issue with these needles compared to say 23g?

***system admin*** · 04-07-2013, 10:15 PM

This new testosterone formula is the thinnest out there. It is safe and is being prescribed. Its really just coincidence that my network pharmacy has this thinner testosterone. I didnt even know about it until last week.

Scar tissue is not a problem at all when dealing with the needle sizes we are talking about.

**MickeyKnox** · 04-07-2013, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by ImpeccableChaos

Is scar tissue less of an issue with these needles compared to say 23g?

I would hazard a guess that the smaller the needle, the less trauma and less scar tissue build up. And you may even add, less PIP too. <-- but this can depend on compound as well regardless of needle size.

**MickeyKnox** · 04-07-2013, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by system admin

This new testosterone formula is the thinnest out there. It is safe and is being prescribed. Its really just coincidence that my network pharmacy has this thinner testosterone. I didnt even know about it until last week.

Scar tissue is not a problem at all when dealing with the needle sizes we are talking about.

There ya go - from the horses mouth..not that im calling you a horse, Brian..lol

**HRTstudent** · 04-08-2013, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by clarkster

It seems that the issue with TRT and pinning IM is the fear of years of possible scar tissue. Is this something to worry about? Is there any studies about long term IM injections?

I had some concern in th back of my mind about this.

However, I have swtiched to subQ and the worry is gone. Also, androxal and oral testosterone are in clinical trials. These oral options may prove useful replacements in the near future - I'm talking a few years even. There are always tradeoffs of course, but both of these drugs are promising to me.