I need guidance on how to measure 1st injection correctly.

[test-one]

Well gents, I will the plunge tomorrow but I need guidance.

Im to inject 50ml of testosterone cypionate and I have .5cc 28 gauge 1/2" insulin pins.

Where do I pull the plunger back to?

There are numbers on the syringe 5, 10, 15 etc and they're marked as units.

Man my hands are shaking. ...

I tried researching but I don't want to screw this up as I'm nervous enough already.

Any help will be much appreciated.

Thanks guys.

[austinite]

Hey buddy. that is probably 50mg, not ML

How many mg per ML is your test cyp?

[steroid.com 1]

Are you under a Doctor's care?

[test-one]

Are you under a Doctor's care?

Absolutely gdevine.

The plan is to administer test for four weeks then perform bloodwork and introduce hcg and an AI should one be needed.

[test-one]

Hey buddy. that is probably 50mg, not ML

How many mg per ML is your test cyp?

Sorry your right....did I mention I was nervous.

On my bottle it reads 200mg/ml.

Thanks for that correction.

[austinite]

200mg per ML. So if you filled that barrel (which holds 1/2 an ML), it would be 100mg. You would need half of that.

So you would fill half of that barrel.

Did the doc prescribe, recommend anything else? I'm assuming the doc didn't go over injection procedure with you.

[steroid.com 1]

Absolutely gdevine.

The plan is to administer test for four weeks then perform bloodwork and introduce hcg and an AI should one be needed.

And your Physician didn't go over in detail with you how to draw and inject your Testosterone ?

The questions you are asking should have been covered by your Doctor before you even did your first injection.

I am confused...

[jasondd1]

My doc didn't go over it with me either. But I have this place and google.

[steroid.com 1]

My doc didn't go over it with me either. But I have this place and google.

Then you have the wrong Doctor...

[test-one]

Thank you austinite.

Nothing else was prescribed by him (at this point ). I pushed for HCG and an AI at the very start but it was a no go.

I actually had to convince him to consider HCG. He kept asking me about fertility and kids and coming off therapy to conceive. I said my concern wasn't for children as I have two and one arriving in 6 weeks. I want it for maintaining the health of my boys.

He said theres no studies done on "fertility" doses for extended periods....I caught his concern at that moment and said, wait, Im not talking about 5000 a week. Im thinking 250 twice a week just to mimic lh.

He said, ooooooooh well we can do that, but his compromise was to introduce it in the protocol at week 5. I conceded because I haven't read anything saying great damage/atrophy will happen within four weeks.


Truthfully I wish I had the strength to wait to start later in life, but things are pretty horrible right now.

Im sacred of trt sides but honestly reading the forum has given me some courage and hope...those two things are sometimes more important than actual advice.

Thanks again guys.

[jasondd1]

Then you have the wrong Doctor...

I wont even mention should she told me not to worry about aspirating on IM. LOL

[test-one]

I wont even mention should she told me not to worry about aspirating on IM. LOL

I thought my dr was a knuckle head...good luck jason.

Im considering dr crisler or the highly talked about lowtestosterone.com.

I don't really like the idea of my dr being my legal dealer. I have to convince him of certain protocols and educate him every visit.

It shouldnt be the case...my dr should teach me.

Alas, we don't live in a perfect world do we?

[crashfirepm53]

Anybody catch the 28g insulin pins??? Dude, your test is oil based and insulin is water based. With that being said it'll take 20 minutes to draw that up with a 28g needle and half that to inject it. Your likely to squeeze so hard trying to push it that the needle will blow off the syringe and all your test will hit the floor wasted. I've been there. Also 1/2'' inch isn't long enough. Personnaly I use a 21g 1 1/2'' needle to draw and inject. Some will draw with an 18g and inject with a smaller 22g or 23g. I wouldn't go smaller than that and at least 1'' in length(1.5'' better). Man up.

[crashfirepm53]

I wont even mention should she told me not to worry about aspirating on IM. LOL

I've never aspirated on myself or in any IM injection I have given in 23 years as a medical professional. Then again, I know where to inject it. Many have nicked a vein but to inject into a vein would be on purpose or 1 in 1000. It isn't like injecting say morphine IV where you don't slam it in but SIVP(slow IV push).

[BallSak]

Anybody catch the 28g insulin pins??? Dude, your test is oil based and insulin is water based. With that being said it'll take 20 minutes to draw that up with a 28g needle and half that to inject it. Your likely to squeeze so hard trying to push it that the needle will blow off the syringe and all your test will hit the floor wasted. I've been there. Also 1/2'' inch isn't long enough. Personnaly I use a 21g 1 1/2'' needle to draw and inject. Some will draw with an 18g and inject with a smaller 22g or 23g. I wouldn't go smaller than that and at least 1'' in length(1.5'' better). Man up.

Many many guys inject testosterone with insulin needles successfully. It is perfectly fine. Less damage and less scarring with smaller needles which is good for those of us in for the long hall.

[crashfirepm53]

Nothing wrong with it if you have the time. I'd go a bit deeper than what a insulin needle can do.

[test-one]

Great points guys and thanks for the suggestions.

I'm sad to report there were injections today.

Long story short...I awoke very rattled and shaken several times last night (happens often) but I had very strange symptoms when trying to start the day.

I couldn't tell if I was dreaming or awake and according to my wife I was speaking gibberish and babbling.

I called my dr and he sent me to the ER immediately .

I had several adrenal test ran, one being an ACTH stim test and I feel horrible as of this moment. My back hurts and Im nauseated something awful. To top it off my dr says to me, you might crash as we taxed your adrenals pretty hard today so monitor blood pressure and temps. Oh and sleep well...Im sure that will happen.

Thanks again guys.

[test-one]

And your Physician didn't go over in detail with you how to draw and inject your Testosterone ?

The questions you are asking should have been covered by your Doctor before you even did your first injection.

I am confused...

Im not sure how I missed your concerns (just saw your post).

My dr advised for IM injections and when I suggested sq he started with "studies show" and I said to myself this is a battle I don't have to fight as I can simply perform subq in the privacy of my own home.

As for drawing instructions from my doc, he said just draw your dose which is a fourth of the vials im giving your and pick a spot (shoulders, glutes or quads), clean area and insert neesle straight and aspirate and inject slowly.

I wanted to get all of your opinions because this was my first time and why venture this alone when you guys have walked this path before.

We stand the tallest when we stand on those who have gone before us.

Thanks for your replies.

[Red Bastard]

Sub q for test cyp? I've heard bad things... Really should be IM! If you're lean, you can get a decent IM, in your shoulder or bicep, with 1/2". With such a small volume, it shouldn't be too hard on "virgin muscle". Ideally, you should have a 23g to draw from your vial, and 25g 1"-1 1/2" to inject with.

[steroid.com 1]

Sub q for test cyp? I've heard bad things... Really should be IM! If you're lean, you can get a decent IM, in your shoulder or bicep, with 1/2". With such a small volume, it shouldn't be too hard on "virgin muscle". Ideally, you should have a 23g to draw from your vial, and 25g 1"-1 1/2" to inject with.

Really?

Like what?

Most of the top HRT Physicians are prescribing SQ for their men for a ton of positive reasons not discounting better E2 management and the less likely need for an AI.

Do a search on it here and you will see.

[Ryanmcd]

Really?

Like what?

Most of the top HRT Physicians are prescribing SQ for their men for a ton of positive reasons not discounting better E2 management and the less likely need for an AI.

Do a search on it here and you will see.

I felt like crap on Sub-Q and used Crisler too, I would start with IM 1st as it says by the people who make the drug, if you feel better and get good test levels then I would try sub Q, if they are like me and tried sub-Q 1st and still felt like shit then what? At least I know on IM I do better and I would start people off on that as everyone does well with IM and sub-Q is hit and miss I feel no matter what other say and I had done gels, sub q and IM.

[test-one]

Ryanmcd, thats intersting but not totally unexpected.

If there's one thing Ive learned is that, EVERYONE is different.

Im glad you found what works for you and maybe I will be join the IM camp myself should things not go so well SQ.

Thanks for the reply.