Subq, how's everyone doing?

[SEOINAGE]

Kind of curious how many people reduced their actual dosage using subq and a more frequent injection protocol.

This is what I was at, 200 mg IM, split into twice a week. HCG 1000 split into twice a week.

Now 60 mg subq eod, 250 hcg eod. I was still trickling off my ai, but have only had 1/4 of one in the past week, and think blast is out of system and I then also dropped it down to 50mg eod. been a week ish on the 50, and did 3 weeks or more on the 60.

My goal here is to obviously feel great, find out where it needs to be so I'm not on borderline needing an AI, and keep costs reasonable of course, and overall just be as healthy as I can.

Subq sometimes leaves a semi hard area for a day or so. and is painful if I rub it in after injection, so I avoid doing that, but even movements that put pressure on the area can be painful. I inject test into the hip, and HCG into to the belly region. Once had a bad reaction with both close together last year.

Using Watson test c. Not using my compounded pharm test, although I hope it works just as well, it sometimes seems different. Doing this because I am out and they won't send me more even though I have 4 refills that don't expire

[FRDave]

With Watson test cypionate injected in the glutes 2x at week at 50mg each via sub-q, my results were 749. At the time I was injecting 400iu HCG in the love handles the day before injection, but have since switched to 250iu mon/wed/fri to try and lower my estrogen without the use of Armidex.

Only got a lump once but I was a bit low on the glute and hit a vein for sure as it instantly bruised, was hard, sore and bled. This was only once and was my own fault...

Originally I was injecting HCG in the abs, about 1" from the belly button, but kept getting brusing and occasional aching of the testes. Have not had a single issue in the love handles, so my body must metabolise it better in this area and the no brusing looks better lol.

[SEOINAGE]

That's interesting about the bruising and aching. I try to stay a bit further away 2 almost 3 inches. Only had problems couple times, and was minor. Where are you hitting glutes? I thought about trying that and then somewhere in my legs, inner thigh? that has the most fat for me as well as center of glutes and a bit lower, sounds hard to reach.

[clarkster]

Switched from 60mg. 2X week Sub Q in my stomach to 60mg. 2X week Sub Q in vastus lateralis and feel like it's absorbing better, but I don't have the BW yet to back it with numbers. When insurance give the OK, I'll be back for BW and will post.

[FRDave]

That's interesting about the bruising and aching. I try to stay a bit further away 2 almost 3 inches. Only had problems couple times, and was minor. Where are you hitting glutes? I thought about trying that and then somewhere in my legs, inner thigh? that has the most fat for me as well as center of glutes and a bit lower, sounds hard to reach.

If you were to look at the glutes straight on and divide the cheek into 4 sections like + I inject in the upper/outer portion. The one time I got a lump, bled and was sore, I was in middle of glute.

[Boscogto]

I do an EOD protocol of both T-Cyp and HCG via sub-q now for almost a year.....working very well.

Wouldn't ever go back to IM or gel again

[ImpeccableChaos]

Are you guys pinching an inch or so of skin and then injecting or just plunging the needle into flat area?

[SEOINAGE]

Are you guys pinching an inch or so of skin and then injecting or just plunging the needle into flat area?

Don't need to pinch on my hips or belly, I sometimes hold it but go in at an angle, with the small needle no way I am going into muscle.

[ImpeccableChaos]

I use 1/2" (12mm) 30g for test and GH but was thinking about 5/16 (8mm). I have been using 1'2" for Test for some time now just going straight in as deep as possible, do you think I was getting into the muscle?

[HRTstudent]

I've been able to cut my dose down a lot since switching to frequent injections (3 week). I also made the switch to subq many months ago because I felt like too many holes were going into my muscles.

Making the switch to subQ has essentially been a free lunch situation for me. Well, I suppose the only trade off is the occasional slight bruising that I get. It doesn't bother me really at all though. I'm not a fitness model. If I went to the beach a lot I suppose I might lay off injections near the umbilicus.

By virtue of lowering the dose I have been able to maintain a robust T level and also virtually eliminate the common side effects such as minor acne issues, climbing hematocrit, and to a lesser degree E2 problems. I am still on anastrozole, unfortunately.

The biggest thing, however, is that when you switch from once a week to more frequently you will notice that your trough levels skyrocket! It makes you realize just how "unclear" the picture is if someone ONLY gets trough readings, yet they inject once a week. I have no doubt many, many men who inject once a week with trough levels over 700+ are living most of their lives supraphysiological.

[GeriatricOne]

By virtue of lowering the dose I have been able to maintain a robust T level and also virtually eliminate the common side effects such as minor acne issues, climbing hematocrit, and to a lesser degree E2 problems. I am still on anastrozole, unfortunately.

The biggest thing, however, is that when you switch from once a week to more frequently you will notice that your trough levels skyrocket!

What is your typical trough level, HRT? What's your per-injection dose?
The potential of lessening acne and red blood cell count is VERY appealing to me.
I'm a little confused though. In other threads people have said they abandoned sub-q because their levels fluctuated too widely. Here in this thread there are the few of you swearing by it. The contradictions are confusing. Any advice to help me see through the fog?

[GeriatricOne]

...and are you guys super lean? Injecting under skin but not into any fat?