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    Anyone take Tamoxifen with their TRT?

    Hi guys,

    Here's my issue...

    I've had gyno issues with trying a cycle before but want to try TRT due to low t symptoms. Does anyone here take tamoxifen as part of their TRT protocol? If so, what AI do you use? I know that most TRT places prescribe Anastrozole for clients. Also, Anastrozole and Tamoxifen can have an interaction ( I believe Tamoxifen deactivates a bit of the Anastrozole making it slightly less effective ), so should they be taken 24-48hrs apart?

    Thanks for your input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keep_It_Moving
    Hi guys,

    Here's my issue...

    I've had gyno issues with trying a cycle before but want to try TRT due to low t symptoms. Does anyone here take tamoxifen as part of their TRT protocol? If so, what AI do you use? I know that most TRT places prescribe Anastrozole for clients. Also, Anastrozole and Tamoxifen can have an interaction ( I believe Tamoxifen deactivates a bit of the Anastrozole making it slightly less effective ), so should they be taken 24-48hrs apart?

    Thanks for your input.
    I've taken arimidex and Nolva many times together and have never noticed any problems.... I usually add Nolva to my arimidex if I notice any puffy nipples during cycle.... I also generally prefer Nolva for off cycle or trt dose cycles

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    So you are on TRT? May I ask what your protocol is?

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    Tamoxifen is not a long term solution to E2 problems. It actually has quite a side effect list too, which effects people to varying degrees. It didn't make me feel good at all (when I developed gyno but helped prevent worsening).

    To control e2 over the long term you need to dose more frequently, smaller, or both and if that cannot work the consider an AI such as anastrozole.

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    Right I understand. But my question is this, my protocol may require me to take anastrozole and tamoxifen together, yet they have an interaction (just google anastrozole and nolvadx interaction ) But I just want to know if people do take them together for a TRT dose?


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    Tamoxifen is not a long term solution to E2 problems. It actually has quite a side effect list too, which effects people to varying degrees. It didn't make me feel good at all (when I developed gyno but helped prevent worsening).

    To control e2 over the long term you need to dose more frequently, smaller, or both and if that cannot work the consider an AI such as anastrozole.

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    I don't know anyone that combines them or has the need to on TRT unless gyno becomes an issue. If gyno is an issue there are plenty of threads here on that. On that note Rolaxifene is actually statistically better for reducing gyno that nolva is. When it comes to nolva reducing the effectiveness of adex, yes, by about 27%.

    Why does your protocol for HRT require Nolva? Are you constantly nip sensitive or fearful of gyno getting worse? If so, address the gyno before initiating TRT.

    Also, how old are you and what is the causative factor for your low T?
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    Thank you for responding to my post...

    I did a cycle a while ago and had puffy/ sensitive nips around week 4 so I aborted, did the whole PCT with clomid and nolva and still have the puffy nipples. This was about 2 months ago. I'm currently taking 60mg/day of nolva to try and help with the gyno issues but I will definitely switch to Rolaxifene at 60mg/day if things don't let up.

    So your recommendation is to allow the gyno issues to resolve and then try TRT? Are you with lowT.com?

    stats: 28, m, 5'9" 187lbs, 14% bf.... My T levels have been all over the map 200s then 600s then 700s. I have MANY of the symptoms of low T and I don't want to live in the "normal" range anymore.


    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I don't know anyone that combines them or has the need to on TRT unless gyno becomes an issue. If gyno is an issue there are plenty of threads here on that. On that note Rolaxifene is actually statistically better for reducing gyno that nolva is. When it comes to nolva reducing the effectiveness of adex, yes, by about 27%.

    Why does your protocol for HRT require Nolva? Are you constantly nip sensitive or fearful of gyno getting worse? If so, address the gyno before initiating TRT.

    Also, how old are you and what is the causative factor for your low T?

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    I'm not with LowT but I definitely support them. They own this forum and have our best interest at heart and use all modern methodologies.

    You do not need 60mg of Nolva. 20 is fine as more is not better here. Combining Andractim Gel with the nolva would be very effective for you in eradicating the gyno, as long as it's not hard and fibrous. Here's a good read on that protocol. Several friends of mine have used it effectively, one being a pro:

    http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...-reversal.html

    My recommendation regarding TRT is to find an adept doctor who will find what the cause of your issue is. Not just slap TRT on it like a band aid. You're 28! You don't want to be on TRT yet, trust me. Find the root cause and fix it if at all possible. It's worth the struggle. You have plenty of time left years from now for TRT. So many things can cause low T such as hypothyroidism, pathologies, cortisol, prolactin issues, trauma and the list goes on. Get fixed!
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    Thanks for the advice. My gyno is very recent, only 5-7 weeks old so I'm giving Tamoxifen a go and then Raloxifene a go if results do show... Also I've never heard of using Andractim Gel with the nolva. I'll talk to my endocrinologist about it, she's the one treating me for the gyno right now but doesn't want me on TRT yet.

    Would LowT.com try to get to the root cause or put a band aid on it?
    Also, where can I find Andractim Gel?

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    dude were all your labs done in the morning? i've had various test results but mine usually all were around 450 with some outliers at 277 and 535...and my most recent at 339....if your 600 and 700 are accurate you dont need trt and are just looking for steroids imo. trt is about keeping you at the high end of the normal rannge. 700-1000 is the ideal rang imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerlifterty16 View Post
    dude were all your labs done in the morning? i've had various test results but mine usually all were around 450 with some outliers at 277 and 535...and my most recent at 339....if your 600 and 700 are accurate you dont need trt and are just looking for steroids imo. trt is about keeping you at the high end of the normal rannge. 700-1000 is the ideal rang imo.
    It's apparent that he already knows how and where to get steroids . If the man wants to better himself by going on TRT, that's his choice. He certainly doesn't need someone calling him out about steroid abuse when you don't know his situation or what he is going through. If he just wants steroids he probably wouldn't be on this forum trying to educate himself regarding TRT. It's easy to point the finger... Just sayin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keep_It_Moving View Post
    Thanks for the advice. My gyno is very recent, only 5-7 weeks old so I'm giving Tamoxifen a go and then Raloxifene a go if results do show... Also I've never heard of using Andractim Gel with the nolva. I'll talk to my endocrinologist about it, she's the one treating me for the gyno right now but doesn't want me on TRT yet.

    Would LowT.com try to get to the root cause or put a band aid on it?
    Also, where can I find Andractim Gel?

    I'm sure. Call them and talk with them.
    Google the gel. It's from Australia. Your doc can't write it. It's a topical dht which makes its a natural anti-E on about 3 different levels.
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    My labs have all been done in the morning. I may not have entirely low T but I have many of the symptoms, low libido, lack of drive, fatigue, in and out of depression, difficult to lose mid area bf, but I can put on muscle pretty quickly. I'm not looking for steroids ! I've tried it and got gyno issues which I am still dealing with ( its very minor and I'm using Tamoxifene prescribed by my endo). I want to be on TRT to treat my symptoms although my numbers may not be considered "low".


    Quote Originally Posted by powerlifterty16 View Post
    dude were all your labs done in the morning? i've had various test results but mine usually all were around 450 with some outliers at 277 and 535...and my most recent at 339....if your 600 and 700 are accurate you dont need trt and are just looking for steroids imo. trt is about keeping you at the high end of the normal rannge. 700-1000 is the ideal rang imo.

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    Thank you VTX.
    I really want to get a fundamental base down about this TRT.

    Quote Originally Posted by VTX1800 View Post
    It's apparent that he already knows how and where to get steroids. If the man wants to better himself by going on TRT, that's his choice. He certainly doesn't need someone calling him out about steroid abuse when you don't know his situation or what he is going through. If he just wants steroids he probably wouldn't be on this forum trying to educate himself regarding TRT. It's easy to point the finger... Just sayin

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    Thank you for your input.

    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I'm sure. Call them and talk with them.
    Google the gel. It's from Australia. Your doc can't write it. It's a topical dht which makes its a natural anti-E on about 3 different levels.

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    Just to add my 2 cents not diagnosing or treating anyone above.

    Anastrosole--E2 blocker and reducer.
    Tamoxafin--Just a blocker and reported to have more side effects.

    If your not having symptoms of gyno and you dont know your E2 level. Dont go on either medication.

    If you start having chest sensitivity call your doctor. They should Rx based on symptoms alone. Then try to get your E2 levels checked ASAP. So you vcan titrate dose of anastrozole accordingly.

    Also, no reason to use both. Anastrozole is the gold standard and thats all you'll need. Just ask your doc what dosages are appropriate for you to get your T/E2 ratio under control.

    Big Picture with TRT optimize T levels and control E2.

    If your having to take too high of dosages of anastrozole to control E2. Few things could be happening.

    Your taking too much T.
    Your high body fat is causing hyper-aromatase.
    Your just starting TRT and doses will level out with time

    Many men are successful with taking 50mg zinc/2-3mg copper as an OTC anti-aromatise. Ive taken patients dose down almost 75% in some cases with the use of zinc and copper. Works really well. Would I use copper and zinc as a sole anti E. NO. But works well in conjuction with Anastrozole.

    At Lowtestosterone.com we actually have one of our compounding pharmacist add zinc to all testosterone cyp vials. Generally helps with aromatase. Hope this helps.
    Last edited by LowT Mike; 05-17-2013 at 02:40 PM.

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    Thank you for your input. That's what I'd like to do, optimize my T levels and control my E2. I'm battling a little bit of gyno issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by LowT Mike View Post
    Just to add my 2 cents not diagnosing or treating anyone above.

    Anastrosole--E2 blocker and reducer.
    Tamoxafin--Just a blocker and reported to have more side effects.

    If your not having symptoms of gyno and you dont know your E2 level. Dont go on either medication.

    If you start having chest sensitivity call your doctor. They should Rx based on symptoms alone. Then try to get your E2 levels checked ASAP. So you vcan titrate dose of anastrozole accordingly.

    Also, no reason to use both. Anastrozole is the gold standard and thats all you'll need. Just ask your doc what dosages are appropriate for you to get your T/E2 ratio under control.

    Big Picture with TRT optimize T levels and control E2.

    If your having to take too high of dosages of anastrozole to control E2. Few things could be happening.

    Your taking too much T.
    Your high body fat is causing hyper-aromatase.
    Your just starting TRT and doses will level out with time

    Many men are successful with taking 50mg zinc/2-3mg copper as an OTC anti-aromatise. Ive taken patients dose down almost 75% in some cases with the use of zinc and copper. Works really well. Would I use copper and zinc as a sole anti E. NO. But works well in conjuction with Anastrozole.

    At Lowtestosterone.com we actually have one of our compounding pharmacist add zinc to all testosterone cyp vials. Generally helps with aromatase. Hope this helps.

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