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    Estrogen level high

    I posted this in my hrt log but I wanted to start a separate thread on the specific subject

    Been on test cyp 200mg once a week for 10 weeks.

    Noticed hardening of nipples and had a crash around week 5-6. 6week blood work is below. Yesterday doc told me my estrogen was a little high and started me on a-dex 1mg/day for a week then 1mg eod the week after. I realize this is not advised correctly

    Took 1mg yesterday. Need to know what to do now. I feel worse than I did before hrt.

    Got approved for low testosterone .com and have my first appt next tues
    Bw only says:

    Testosterone total 843
    Estrogens total , 136, reference range 40-115, pg/ml. *1

    Then below

    Prepubertal. <40
    Female cycle
    1-10 days 61-394
    11-20 days 122-437
    21-30 days 156-

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    I don't understand why so many doc's start guys out on high end doses instead of the opposite and titrate based on BW. Just makes no sense.

    Total T is fine. That does not appear to be a sensitive E2 assay though which is really not useful to you. Glad you realized this is not a good adex protocol issued by your doc. I would have preferred you not take the AI since you'll be doing more BW with LowT.com. If you choose to do more use a minimal amount such as .25mg (yes, cut it) twice per week to get you through to your appt. Make sure you make them aware of this. If you are due for another injection I'd cut it in half.

    The doc's there are astute and can work through your recent changes in protocol.
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    Ok thx , I did bw for lowt.com and it came in and I was approved but haven't seen results yet since my first appt is tues. I'll stay off ai till then thx

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    Let us know how it goes on this thread Face! Best of luck!
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    Thanks guys. Man, I felt so great I thought my doc was a genius. Then almost overnight I feel worse than I've ever felt. And with a 2 week old baby and a hormonal wife I feel like I can't be the father I should be. So irritable, lack of sleep, mood swings. Just a week ago I was on top of the world. It's amazing how some docs are still in practice.

    One plus is maybe at this point I can help my wife out by breast feeding with the amounts of estrogen I have

    Focusing on meditation and keeping my mindset strong until I can get my body back in balance.

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    bw attached

    Estrogen level high-bw.jpg

    test, serum >1500, range 348-1197
    free test >50 , range 8.7-25.1
    LH .1 , range 1.7-8.6
    estriadol 69.4 , range 7.6-42.6

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    your over 1500 total test on 200 a week?

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    Are you sure it isn't the high T level contributing to your situation. A while back, I got up that high with sensitive e2 @ 30. I felt lousy, so lowered my dose. Felt back to normal after that.

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    yea I mean that's what the lab says. I had my first appt with Lowt.com today. My last doc was obv a quack. My test and E levels are through the roof. Also, my last doc never did LH test so I don't even know if HCG restart will work. Doc gave me a couple options since I do want to have more kids

    1) implement arimidex .5mg 2x/week to get E under control, lower Test to 100mg/week, add hcg, ween off test for the next month until I'm just on HCG and run that for 2 months to see if I can produce my own test again and so I'll be able to have kids.

    My issue with this option is that I may feel like garbage

    2) stay at 100mg test, keep a-dex and HCG and get my semen tested for fertility in 6 weeks to see if I am fertile while on the test.

    the latter was actually my suggestion but he thought it was a good idea. I think I'm going to do that. If I'm not fertile I can try coming off test and either dealing with feeling like garb until I'm done having kids, or freeze some sperm.

    My previous (awful) doc tested me 4 weeks ago and my test is at 843, and then last week I tested at 1500+. Is there a chance that reading was wrong? Is it possible to get that high on 200mg?

    thoughts?

    thanks

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    So I saw my lowt.com doc and I'm now following:

    100mg cyp per week
    .5 mg adex twice / week
    250 iu hcg twice/ week

    I feel better and emotions are in check

    I'm going to run this for a month and then check fertility to see if I want to taper down off of test until I have more kids or if I can stay on test and still have kids. Input on this topic?

    Also, I just got enough jins to run 4iu 5 on 2 off for 10 months ( need for shoulder repair I had full Labrem slap and rotator a year ago and still only 70%)

    Is it ok to run gh?

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    Bump

    Any input on whether i should taper down off test or if i can just jeep running hcg and if im fertile then just stay on?

    Started jins at 2iu, going to run for a week then ramp up to 4iu per month.

    Quote Originally Posted by Facecrash View Post
    So I saw my lowt.com doc and I'm now following:

    100mg cyp per week
    .5 mg adex twice / week
    250 iu hcg twice/ week

    I feel better and emotions are in check

    I'm going to run this for a month and then check fertility to see if I want to taper down off of test until I have more kids or if I can stay on test and still have kids. Input on this topic?

    Also, I just got enough jins to run 4iu 5 on 2 off for 10 months ( need for shoulder repair I had full Labrem slap and rotator a year ago and still only 70%)

    Is it ok to run gh?

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    Tough crowd!

    Need some feedback. Nip soarness gone after lowering t to 100 mg and adex .5 mg twice/ week
    Libido not rAging anymore

    Feeling normal again but a big lethargic

    Started jins 2iu a day and will go to 3iu tomorrow 5 on 2 off

    Comment on my last post?

    Quote Originally Posted by Facecrash View Post
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    Any input on whether i should taper down off test or if i can just jeep running hcg and if im fertile then just stay on?

    Started jins at 2iu, going to run for a week then ramp up to 4iu per month.

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