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    I am 69 years young. Started shots of 200 ml cypoinate every 3 weeks. (i know should be every week but happy to get this to start with) Have been reading about subcutanous and was wondering if I could split the 200 ml into weekly injections using subcutanous. What would the weekly amount be and type of syringe to use. would there be any benefit to this. Thanks

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    Well, if you could split it your amount would be about 65mg per week or so. Now, to do that I'd suggest twice weekly SQ shots splitting that 65 in half again. Yes, it sounds really low but you'd be surprised how many top notch doc's start their patients on 60-80 a week and they do just fine. Less is more in TRT right? It all depends on your BW to bear out how this works for you.

    I'd bet you feel much better on the above protocol as opposed to what you're on now. You'll have more consistent levels and no crash, which must suck for you. Less aromitization due to smaller injections as well. Win-Win.

    Pin size is up to you and any insulin pin will work for you. It may be best to go with maybe a 27 ga for ease of loading. Only pushing in 30+ mg's per shot will be very easy for you.

    Let us know what you decide and if you do this, post up how it goes for you on this thread please.
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    three weeks is too long for test C mate. Your blood plasma levels will resemble a roller coaster, and test effects mood, sexual energy, and all that.

    I take 70mg test C weekly, and i'm just fine.

    It's up to you if you want to go SubQ or IM. I've heard pros and cons on both sides, and I really think they are both probably equally effective.

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    Thanks Kelkel, have to check some insulin syringesI have and see the needle size. Not due for shot for another week and half. If I decide to try i should start then ? Less chance of sides with small dose. Such as b/p or red count? Thanks again.

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    i found my blood work was the same IM or SubQ. SubQ doesn't give me the same day boost I feel with IM but I wonder how much of it is in my head LOL....

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    I tried my first Test E SQ shot this morning near the belly button. I agree with THINKBIG, I didn't get that first kick I usually do and the spot still stings a bit. No redness, lump, or swelling though. I used an insulin syringe w/ 27g 1/2" needle and 50mg (25U) of Test E. Was slow filling it, but not too bad. I'll try a 31g 5/15" next time - same as my HCG syringe. I think preloading them the night before might be a good idea from now on. Just pin and go in the morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roxer View Post
    I tried my first Test E SQ shot this morning near the belly button. I agree with THINKBIG, I didn't get that first kick I usually do and the spot still stings a bit. No redness, lump, or swelling though. I used an insulin syringe w/ 27g 1/2" needle and 50mg (25U) of Test E. Was slow filling it, but not too bad. I'll try a 31g 5/15" next time - same as my HCG syringe. I think preloading them the night before might be a good idea from now on. Just pin and go in the morning.
    maybe im doing something wrong, it took me a second to fill the 31 syringe...i thought you just pull back and its filled..maybe i need to wait for it to fill

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerlifterty16 View Post
    maybe im doing something wrong, it took me a second to fill the 31 syringe...i thought you just pull back and its filled..maybe i need to wait for it to fill
    Are you talking about filling with HCG or with test? Completely different thickness in the liquids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post
    Are you talking about filling with HCG or with test? Completely different thickness in the liquids.
    hcg

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    As stated on 200 ml every 3 weeks. Wednesday will be 3 weeks and due for shot. Calling Dr. I already feel bad and getting the sweats. I'm sure its very low if anything is left. Still up in the air about trying sub Q. Any more input on the is subject would be great.

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    A lot of generic test won't draw up easily into an insulin syringe . . . meaning it will take up to 5+ min or what feels like an eternity to draw it up. And injecting it is not easy. See if 27ga works before you buy a box of slin pins.

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    hot weather 60 mgs less than a minute with 27 slin shot, cold weather maybe 1.5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harleyrider View Post
    I am 69 years young. Started shots of 200 ml cypoinate
    You do mean 200mg, right? Because 200ml would be enough for several years...

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    Have box of 29 left over from when dog was on insulin . Will these work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harleyrider View Post
    Have box of 29 left over from when dog was on insulin. Will these work?
    hrt student uses 31, so should be fine

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    Got the Dr to change from every 3 weeks to every 2 weeks at 200 mg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harleyrider View Post
    Got the Dr to change from every 3 weeks to every 2 weeks at 200 mg.
    Excellent job persuading your doc Harley! Good for you.

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    now you can split your dose to 50mgs twice a week.

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    Thanks. He surprised me and was very open to it. I had two choices (1) 100 mg every 10 days for total of 200mg in approx 3 weeks. (2) 200 MG every two weeks. Was taking 35 mg. weekly of Androgel . Big jump. concerned with red count.

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    yes don't take a chance, just donate every two months, believe me if you don't have enough to donate they'll simply send you home. its better to send you home for low iron than reject you because of high RBC and hemoglobin.

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    Did first sub q. Not bad, experience no pain. Slow loading (70 mg) and injected slow. I'm in no hurry as I have all the time in the world. Being retired is great.

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    you may get a lump and some soreness. why 70mgs? I thought your dose was 200mgs every two weeks! if that the case then you should be injecting 50 mgs twice a week, unless you're doing SQ once a week and save the extra test?!

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    I will be splitting in the near future. Going out of town and will not be able to split but still wanted to get started.

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    What areas can I inject subq besides stomach near the belly button? This will be for test e and HCG . Is one place better than others for it to absorb or work better? I am around 14-12% body fat with it being mostly around my stomach and waist. Not so munch on the arms and legs. I'm looking at .25iu HCG and .30 test.

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    There was a good thread about subq injections vs IM and member results. Seemed like the unscientific results were subq inj in the quad yielded same results as IM, but subq inj in the Stomach(For memebers with higher BF) yielded lower test levels when compared to IM. Something to keep in mind when switching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roxer
    What areas can I inject subq besides stomach near the belly button? This will be for test e and HCG. Is one place better than others for it to absorb or work better? I am around 14-12% body fat with it being mostly around my stomach and waist. Not so munch on the arms and legs. I'm looking at .25iu HCG and .30 test.
    I absorb test best in glutes (sub-Q) and HCG in love handles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FRDave

    I absorb test best in glutes (sub-Q) and HCG in love handles.
    So grab a little skin at the glutes and inject? I have already done this in my stomach area for the last two weeks. Did an IM of test last Thursday instead and noticed a difference - IM was more noticeable. I think i read there is less blood flow in the abdomen area? For love handles, inject into the fold between the ab and handle region? Or pinch skin on the handles themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roxer

    So grab a little skin at the glutes and inject? I have already done this in my stomach area for the last two weeks. Did an IM of test last Thursday instead and noticed a difference - IM was more noticeable. I think i read there is less blood flow in the abdomen area? For love handles, inject into the fold between the ab and handle region? Or pinch skin on the handles themselves?
    For the love handles, I pinch as much skin as possible (about 2.5" section) on the handles themselves, stab, release fat then inject. Same for glutes but in the upper outer portion of the glute.

    I did not like injecting in the stomach area as I was always bruising, even with just hcg and I assumed it was not absorbing as good since my testicles quit hurting once I started injecting hcg in the love handles.

    I have yet to try quads which I would like to, but have very little fat making it kinda hard via sub-Q.
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    pretty much any fat slab will do, just make sure it goes in the fat, not the space between fat and muscle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    pretty much any fat slab will do, just make sure it goes in the fat, not the space between fat and muscle.

    And how do we determine that?

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    Just made sure it's thick enough, if not go in at angle.

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    I did my test shot this morning subq in glute fat (takes a little getting used to - mechanics are screwy turning like that) - already noticing an improvement vs injecting in the abdominal region. Good call FRDave.

    Pinching skin and inserting at a 45 worked. Used .30cc with a 30g 5/16 slin syringe. No lump at all. I did get a lump with hCG in the love handle Sunday, but I think that will be addressed with using less bacwater in the mixture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harleyrider View Post
    I am 69 years young. Started shots of 200 ml cypoinate every 3 weeks. (i know should be every week but happy to get this to start with) Have been reading about subcutanous and was wondering if I could split the 200 ml into weekly injections using subcutanous. What would the weekly amount be and type of syringe to use. would there be any benefit to this. Thanks
    You can absoulutly do weekly or bi weekly injection subcutanously using a diabetic syringe. usually 1cc syringe with a 27-30 guage 5/16 needle attached. Commerical available test has a tendency to be a thicker oil so the draw and injection time will be longer unless you have T from a compounding pharm....be patient. But I would really talk to your doctor about 200mg every 3 weeks. This is way to long to wait in between shots. I recommend minimum 1 shot a week or 2 shots every week. The biological half-life of T cypionate is only 7-10 days. meaning it will peak your serum T in 24-48 hours then go back to baseline by the end of the week.

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    Did get the Dr. to change to 200mg every two weeks. Now doing 70 mg. sub-q once a week. Plan on changing that to twice a week at 35 mg. each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harleyrider View Post
    Did get the Dr. to change to 200mg every two weeks. Now doing 70 mg. sub-q once a week. Plan on changing that to twice a week at 35 mg. each.
    good idea.
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