how to find the right Dr.

[psychoink]

I currently have a dr that really doesn't want to help my situation. I had Bw done and my test range was in the low 400s and the bottom range was in the low 300s. I told him I had Zero libido. I mean none, no sex drive at all. Which is the on going fight in my marriage. So he gave me some cialis after I told him that stuff doesn't work and that I have no problems getting a erection its just I have no drive. What are options. I would like to start taking test but self medication seems wrong to me... but at this point its all I have. Not to condridict my self but I have done a test only cycle for 12 weeks and it was great... I had a friend inject me so it didnt seem as bad lol. So is it pretty hard to find a Dr to do this legit

[100%]

I currently have a dr that really doesn't want to help my situation. I had Bw done and my test range was in the low 400s and the bottom range was in the low 300s. I told him I had Zero libido. I mean none, no sex drive at all. Which is the on going fight in my marriage. So he gave me some cialis after I told him that stuff doesn't work and that I have no problems getting a erection its just I have no drive. What are options. I would like to start taking test but self medication seems wrong to me... but at this point its all I have. Not to condridict my self but I have done a test only cycle for 12 weeks and it was great... I had a friend inject me so it didnt seem as bad lol. So is it pretty hard to find a Dr to do this legit

Were you located? Low Testosterone - $199 All-Included Testosterone Treatment

[psychoink]

Bakersfield ca... I lookes at that Low t web site but there is no way in hell I'm paying 200 $ a month.. that's crazy

[kelkel]

If you don't have insurance it's not crazy. It's your health. TRT is more that just a weekly shot of testosterone . If it were only that simple.....

[zillagod]

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[FRDave]

I found my Dr on the a4m.com web site using the location feature like mentioned in the sticky.

[kelkel]

Don't ever just make an appointment guys. Call and get a nurse on the phone and interrogate her (nicely) about the doc's protocols for TRT. Basically will he/she write for Test, HCG , AI's. If the nurse doesn't know ask her to check with the doc and call you back as you don't want to waste their time and yours on a one time appointment. GP, Endo, Uro, it doesn't matter. They just have to know hormones and be willing to partner with you in your therapy, not dictate treatment.

If for some reason you don't want to try lowT then try and look for an A4M Certified Doc.

[zillagod]

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[SexySweetheart]

agree...
I had to "interview" several Drs before FINALLY finding 1 with a clue... and just this week i find out mine is relocating ~ *sigh* now I have to go threw the same hassle BUT it is worth it shop for a doc like you would shop for a new stereo system. compare reviews online and make the calls, ask friends about their docs, go to compounding pharmacies and ask what Drs they work most with. if you find one an make an appointment - go armed with info and dont hesitate to tell them your thoughts or if they dont agree with you/ give you what you need dont be affraid to say that youdont see this as a good fit and wont require any other appointments with them... they LOVE THAT lol

[FRDave]

A4M Certified Docs are easy to find when you have insurance, when you dont, you sh*t out of luck...

Has nothing to do with insurance, just depends if you want to pay out of pocket or not. I pay out of pocket and pay less than $40 a month for my protocol through my local A4M certified Dr.

[jay adams]

Im from Bakersfield as well. My general doc told me I'll have to wait eight or nine months to see an endo. I wasn't about to let her start giving me test without hcg and a AI for that long. Im using lowt.com for this year until I find a good Endo that understands my needs.
Small price to pay for getting my protocol lined up and gathering knowledge I'll be taking with me for the rest of my life.

[zillagod]

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[jay adams]

everyone i called wants $500+ just to step your foot in the door... please pm me who you are seeing so that maybe i can finally see a knowledgeable doc who doesnt want to rape my pockets... seriously, i have been looking for awhile now, and they are all private practices who wants crazy amounts of money just to step in their office... and granted, im only 23 (with no insurance)... so $500+ is out of the question for me... even though; if i had it, i would pay a million dollars just to feel better

The Endo I got through lowt told me he charges everyone else 500 a month. He said lowt gives him 100 and they get 100 a month. How can anyone beat that.

[powerlifterty16]

The Endo I got through lowt told me he charges everyone else 500 a month. He said lowt gives him 100 and they get 100 a month. How can anyone beat that.

seeing a dr every month isnt necessary though....once you are prescribed the meds, all you need is bloodwork.

that endo is off his rocker too. I dont see why they are so egotistical and cant accept insurance.
I called an endo for my dad who was highly rated, and the guy only took medicaire....what's the point in insurance?

I think you can find good drs on insurance it just might take many years and lots of failures.

[zillagod]

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[powerlifterty16]

Im from Bakersfield as well. My general doc told me I'll have to wait eight or nine months to see an endo. I wasn't about to let her start giving me test without hcg and a AI for that long. Im using lowt.com for this year until I find a good Endo that understands my needs.
Small price to pay for getting my protocol lined up and gathering knowledge I'll be taking with me for the rest of my life.

how long of a wait before yous aw a dr? does lowt.com get you in there fast??
what if your new doc doesnt keep u on the protocol

[zillagod]

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[jay adams]

seeing a dr every month isnt necessary though....once you are prescribed the emds, all you need is bloodwork

For me it was finding someone that was competent immediately. This first year is like learning to walk. My doc was giving me 100mg every two weeks and no estrogen tests. I was paying only 20 dollars a month but that wouldn't do. I won't need lowt for all my life unless my insurance ever gets cancelled.

[jay adams]

Oh, i must have misread Jay, but im not going the lowt.com route yet, but if you know any other docs who are knowledgeable in male hormones, please pm me

I pray this Endo my general physician sends me to is on the ball. Im poor too. If you're still looking in eight months I'll PM you.lol

[jay adams]

how long of a wait before yous aw a dr? does lowt.com get you in there fast??
what if your new doc doesnt keep u on the protocol

I saw my lowt Endo five days after calling them and had my scripts five days after that. He also wrote up blood tests for my wife cause she's been feeling down THEN he mailed me dhea cause mine was low.

I call him once a week and he talks to me on the phone for 20/30 minutes about hormones and what not. Even shoot the crap about relationships with our women.lol Real cool guy!

If my new doc doesn't follow what I need I'll stay with lowt.

[psychoink]

Jay I tried to pm you but I'm to new.. maybe you can send me one. I got insurance who can you refer me to

[jay adams]

Jay I tried to pm you but I'm to new.. maybe you can send me one. I got insurance who can you refer me to

Thats the thing brotha, Im on a waiting list too through my insurance. Did you ask your doctor to refer you to a Endo? I called a few in LA but they want cash. I was in dire need of treatment to get my hormones balanced ASAP.

I wish I could help. The one I have now is amazing. He goes to conferences all over with other endos. He charges 500 a month unless you go through lowt then it's the 200. You'd prob be sent to him if you used lowt. He's in Santa Barbara. He reminds me of Obi Won Kenobi. I just spend my old monthly beer money on getting healthy and quit drinking.haha

[powerlifterty16]

Thats the thing brotha, Im on a waiting list too through my insurance. Did you ask your doctor to refer you to a Endo? I called a few in LA but they want cash. I was in dire need of treatment to get my hormones balanced ASAP.

I wish I could help. The one I have now is amazing. He goes to conferences all over with other endos. He charges 500 a month unless you go through lowt then it's the 200. You'd prob be sent to him if you used lowt. He's in Santa Barbara. He reminds me of Obi Won Kenobi. I just spend my old monthly beer money on getting healthy and quit drinking.haha

yeah im poor now too..on horizon medicaid plan, and copays are free and test is free too...it'd be a shame to have to go through lowt. I actually made an internet friend on another board that offered to pay for a consult for me for either shippen or harry fish..but ill try my current doc first..but idk if my urologist will prescribe me trt in case the hcg im on fails. He also has said some concerning things like not testing estradiol, and that cholesterol checks on younger guys are unheard of. I did get him to write up estradiol though....and will pres for it if i decide to go on trt with him. Ill also insist on once a week with a minimum of 100 mg per week. He might not prescribe an ai though..but i could always take zinc or order from a reputable source(prob nott though since im paranoid).

[jay adams]

yeah im poor now too..on horizon medicaid plan, and copays are free and test is free too...it'd be a shame to have to go through lowt. I actually made an internet friend on another board that offered to pay for a consult for me for either shippen or harry fish..but ill try my current doc first..but idk if my urologist will prescribe me trt in case the hcg im on fails. He also has said some concerning things like not testing estradiol, and that cholesterol checks on younger guys are unheard of. I did get him to write up estradiol though....and will pres for it if i decide to go on trt with him. Ill also insist on once a week with a minimum of 100 mg per week. He might not prescribe an ai though..but i could always take zinc or order from a reputable source(prob nott though since im paranoid).

I know you know your stuff powerlifterty16. Don't you have some family or friends that are endocrinologists? That would be great if you can get him to work with you.
Im taking zinc and copper as well. Im trying to be AI free.
Man I hope I can find one that will take my insurance after my twelve months is up. Im gonna look like crazy for the remainder of my contract.

Tell that doc your nips are itching and hurting a couple days after you start. Thats what I did and I think my reg doc is gonna prescribe me arimidex . Even though I don't need it from her now.

[powerlifterty16]

I know you know your stuff powerlifterty16. Don't you have some family or friends that are endocrinologists? That would be great if you can get him to work with you.
Im taking zinc and copper as well. Im trying to be AI free.
Man I hope I can find one that will take my insurance after my twelve months is up. Im gonna look like crazy for the remainder of my contract.

Tell that doc your nips are itching and hurting a couple days after you start. Thats what I did and I think my reg doc is gonna prescribe me arimidex. Even though I don't need it from her now.

my dad has an old highschool friend who is a urologist but the guy is one of the worst docs ive ever met, and scolded me for trying to go on trt with a level o 277 at 19..my current level is 339 at 23, but i didnt feel like telling him that so told him 277. He also called my dr a quack for prescribing hcg . guy is an idiot. My dad has drs for clients..one being an oncologist but i really doubt an oncologist would be involved with trt..
im seeing an endo in august though....going to have her test my thyroid, recheck my test and other levels, and then go from there. She went to a foreign medical school, but she has good reviews from patients, and supposedly deals with reproductive endocronology. Depending on how she treats me, ill go back to my urologist. Medicaid is pretty good insurance....it was very frustrating when i had oxford paying 50 dollar copays for idiotic docs.

[jay adams]

my dad has an old highschool friend who is a urologist but the guy is one of the worst docs ive ever met, and scolded me for trying to go on trt with a level o 277 at 19..my current level is 339 at 23, but i didnt feel like telling him that so told him 277. He also called my dr a quack for prescribing hcg . guy is an idiot. My dad has drs for clients..one being an oncologist but i really doubt an oncologist would be involved with trt..
im seeing an endo in august though....going to have her test my thyroid, recheck my test and other levels, and then go from there. She went to a foreign medical school, but she has good reviews from patients, and supposedly deals with reproductive endocronology. Depending on how she treats me, ill go back to my urologist. Medicaid is pretty good insurance....it was very frustrating when i had oxford paying 50 dollar copays for idiotic docs.

What's going on with the hcg? It's been a few weeks hasn't it? Have you checked your test yet?

[psychoink]

Yea 200 a month Doesn't fit into my budget. When I did see my doc I didn't know anything about all this stuff. .. had no idea what a endo was. But now I do so I'll ask him about it

[jay adams]

Yea 200 a month Doesn't fit into my budget. When I did see my doc I didn't know anything about all this stuff. .. had no idea what a endo was. But now I do so I'll ask him about it

That's the way to go. Read the hell out of this site and you'll know if your Endo is any good when you meet.

[powerlifterty16]

What's going on with the hcg? It's been a few weeks hasn't it? Have you checked your test yet?

im checking it on july 18th. My doc didnt even want to run blood..he pretty much wanted to give me the hcg and never deal with me again..probably because im on medicaid....but i told him to run blood with estradiol....so i have a script. He originally wrote the script for august, but i wanted to check my labs a few days after my last shot(july 15) so iasked the secretary for a july one, and she let me keep both scripts so ill probably use the second one in september to make sure my levels hold....since im going to have the endo check me in august.

[jay adams]

im checking it on july 18th. My doc didnt even want to run blood..he pretty much wanted to give me the hcg and never deal with me again..probably because im on medicaid....but i told him to run blood with estradiol....so i have a script. He originally wrote the script for august, but i wanted to check my labs a few days after my last shot(july 15) so iasked the secretary for a july one, and she let me keep both scripts so ill probably use the second one in september to make sure my levels hold....since im going to have the endo check me in august.

Very smart! Im interested to hear how this unfolds for you. Gotta love science experiments.haha

[powerlifterty16]

Very smart! Im interested to hear how this unfolds for you. Gotta love science experiments.haha

im interested to see if the doc gets pissed when i use both scripts hehehe

[jay adams]

im interested to see if the doc gets pissed when i use both scripts hehehe

does the hcg make you feel dif the night or next day after you take it?

[powerlifterty16]

i honestly dont feel too different. workouts have been going better, and i dont get migraines anymore...but still tired a lot, and have poor concentration/motivation and drive/confidence/outgoingness. Libido and balls eel the same...they were never a huge prob

[LowT Mike]

That $200 per includes everything. Doctors visits, Test C, HCG , Anastrozole, Comprehesive labs 3 times per year (retail price per lab $900), 24/7 Nurse Conceirge, Syringes, supplies and the best protocols around. If you are doing medically advised TRT the right way with scheduled labs and doctors visits...Add it up. Same treatment would cost you over $4000 per year going to your family doc.

[trikydik]

Maybe 5th time is charm. Found a promising doc on the a4m.com site.
Will see

[psychoink]

That $200 per includes everything. Doctors visits, Test C, HCG, Anastrozole, Comprehesive labs 3 times per year (retail price per lab $900), 24/7 Nurse Conceirge, Syringes, supplies and the best protocols around. If you are doing medically advised TRT the right way with scheduled labs and doctors visits...Add it up. Same treatment would cost you over $4000 per year going to your family doc.

I'm not disagreeing with any of that... if money wasn't an issue I wouldn't think twice about it. However bills prevent me from having another monthly payment such as that.

[powerlifterty16]

That $200 per includes everything. Doctors visits, Test C, HCG, Anastrozole, Comprehesive labs 3 times per year (retail price per lab $900), 24/7 Nurse Conceirge, Syringes, supplies and the best protocols around. If you are doing medically advised TRT the right way with scheduled labs and doctors visits...Add it up. Same treatment would cost you over $4000 per year going to your family doc.

3x per yr? i thought it was every 6 weeks.......

[powerlifterty16]

That $200 per includes everything. Doctors visits, Test C, HCG, Anastrozole, Comprehesive labs 3 times per year (retail price per lab $900), 24/7 Nurse Conceirge, Syringes, supplies and the best protocols around. If you are doing medically advised TRT the right way with scheduled labs and doctors visits...Add it up. Same treatment would cost you over $4000 per year going to your family doc.

with insurance , most people would pay a copay once every few months for the doc, a copay every few months for test, get free blood work, and pay 80 per 2 months for hcg ..and idk about arimidex .

im sure u guys offer good care bu it is a lie to say it is cheaper than doc

[Metalject]

Has nothing to do with insurance, just depends if you want to pay out of pocket or not. I pay out of pocket and pay less than $40 a month for my protocol through my local A4M certified Dr.

$40 a month and paying out of pocket? Are you counting everything?

Retail, a bottle of testosterone , one bottle is going to run $100, HCG can easily run a few hundred and then AI if needed. Then on top of that you have blood work and doctors visits. 1 doctors visit and one bottle of testosterone and you're already over $200, so at $40 a month that leaves you $280 left and you still have more testosterone and other meds to buy, all your blood work and possibly another doctors visit or two.

[Metalject]

with insurance , most people would pay a copay once every few months for the doc, a copay every few months for test, get free blood work, and pay 80 per 2 months for hcg ..and idk about arimidex .

im sure u guys offer good care bu it is a lie to say it is cheaper than doc

With insurance, most have a deductible. That can be a few thousand dollars per year and if you're like me you never come close to meeting your deductible. You also have to take into account most plans won't cover TRT unless you're really, really low...insurance doesn't give a crap about what actually helps you.