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07-22-2013, 06:07 PM #1Banned
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board certification in anti aging medicine
fixed typo in title but it still appears.
I noticed that low t mike is board certified in anti aging meds. I was just wondering what this means...let me explain.
I was under the impression that only doctors can get board certified in anything, and that only doctors or NP or pa's can prescribe meds and treat patients.
I dont know mike, but after looking him up (i was considering lowt.com in the future so i checked him out..im not a stalker) I noticed he isnt a dr.
I ask this question, because i graduated college a year ago, and have been struggling to find my calling. I dont want to be an endo bc i suck at math and science, so maybe a certification in anti aging is for me? Maybe i just need to get a masters and i can practice anti aging meds? idk, maybe you guys know. I was going to go for a masters in psych anyway...so maybe i can do anti aging where i feel im more competent LOL.Last edited by powerlifterty16; 07-22-2013 at 06:22 PM.
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07-23-2013, 09:29 AM #2HRT Specialist, P.A. - LowTestosterone.com
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Powerlifterty. If you want to look into this as a career but going the doctor route is not for you. Heres a good route. Get your PA (Physicians Assistant) or NP (Nurse Practitioners). Im a Nuclear Medicine Practitioner similar to a PA. I specialized in Interventinal Endocrinolgy and treated thryroid disorders for years. Then made the switch and got board certified in AARM. All doctors and PAs can practice T treatment but as you know...sadly that dosent mean they know anything. This has always been a passion of mine and after being involved in a stage 3 clinical trial on azltimers dementia and parkinsions patients I found that there was a common denominator of these patients and LowT. However, the drug companies paying for the clinical trial didnt care about that...they were only interested in finding medications similar to statin cholesterol meds that bound up ambiloyd plaque. Thats when I realized It was time to leave western medicine and start my own Anti-Aging Clinic in Santa Barbara. Years later here I am trying to make T treatment affordable to everyone. If you really want to help people and not treat the symptoms with our "fix it when its broken" medical system this is the way to go.
In summary. You have some clinical knowledge on this already I take it from you own reading...However if this is really what you want to do look into PA or NP (2-3 years) programs then get board certified through A4m (1 year) to learn the nuts and bolts of Hormone replacement therapy and Anti-Aging medicine. There are a ton of job opportunities out there and the field is only going to grow.Last edited by LowT Mike; 07-23-2013 at 09:35 AM.
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07-23-2013, 02:23 PM #3Banned
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thanks mike. i will def check into the physician assistant programs. If i become a physician assistant do i need to work in a dr's office or can i open my own practice? I saw a school where i live offers a masters in physician assistant program, but do i need to specialize in endocrinology. Are these programs heavy on the science and math? It'd be cool if in two years, i got my degree, and either opened my own clinic or found an up to date dr like the ones from lowt and worked there.
i may also look into the nuclear medicine practitioner, although it sounds a little more rare.
on the subject of cholesterol, ive heard varying things abut trt and cholesterol. some suggesting it worsens up and some suggesting it helps it!
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07-23-2013, 03:03 PM #4HRT Specialist, P.A. - LowTestosterone.com
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Most PA programs include clinicals. Which is part of the program where you do rotations in varying specialties just like a doctor. It always helps the old resume though to go
"shadow" at a doctors office. The Nuclear Medicine School I went too I ended up being the Educational Coordinator the year after I graduated. Admissions personnel and myself we really like the adamant candidate that has at least done and internship, worked or volunteered in some medicine and still loves it. Be adamant!!! Great thing about a PA or NP is that you dont have to specialize and be trapped liked doctors are in that speciality. You can jump around and see what is a good fit for you. Thats why I choose it. Very heavy in science, anatomy and physiology, chemistry, physics and math. Thats medicine.
Nuclear medicine is kindof a dying field. But you can transition out of like a pA or NP. I would suggest PA NP.
There are LOWT clinics and centers opening up everywhere that will hire you with a 6 figure salary and actually give you a % of the business for running the show. This is a great time for PAs and NPs to finally get out from under a lazy doctor and be your own boss. They really are the practitioners of the future. Depends on the state but yes you can open up your own practice and in some states as a NP or PA Just as long as you have a medical director that "oversees" practice. You can just hire a doctor for that and still be the boss.
Cholesterol and TRT. high cholesterol is usually a sign of LOWT. Sounds crazy but think about it. What are the building blocks of bioavaliable testosterone ?? Cholesterol. Your body makes usable T out of cholesterol. So if you arnt making enough T then your lipid profile or cholesterol will increase. You can see the inverse of this with men who are taking too much T or guys that abuse high amounts of anabolic steriods . There HDL will decrease. The body is binding all the T to too much cholesterol. Overall a skilled practitioner that knows how to balance all the hormones out in a tailored fit for the patient will seen there lipid profile decrease. Ive pulled men off their glucaphage and metaformin (diabetic meds), SSRI's and antidepressants, statin cholesterol meds, blood pressure medications and many other medications that could of been avoided in the first place if the doctor just optimized the patients T level. Our medical system is broken and run by big pharmaceutical companies. I might be a conspiracy theorist but I believe there is a reason the DEA scrutinizes and makes it so hard for doctors to RX and compounding pharmacies to fill Testosterone. If every man in the US went on T it would bankrupt the majority of pharmaceutical companies "band-aid" medications that only treat symtoms. Look at the medications I mentioned I take patients off regulary. These are the top big pharma medications.Last edited by LowT Mike; 07-23-2013 at 03:31 PM.
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07-23-2013, 04:02 PM #5Banned
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thanks for the detailed response again! 6 figures would be awesome, and it's something i have interest in. i just get scared that trt is so stigmatized. i actually had a fight with one of my dads urologist friends bc he kept telling me that ebarygordon is getting arrested because he treats young guys who dotn need test with healthy levels of 200-300...i told this guy he is clueless and hurts people with his every 3 week prescribing methods, and lack of proper ly prescribing to guys who are deficient.
I could never bring myself to work for a MORON like him lol.
my dad is on statins, and he is also diabetic,but doesnt require insulin thankfully. his last t level was 320, but free t was WELL below range. those results are like 2 months old, but his dr just gave him new results and im going there to pick up the paper so i can give my opinion. his dr claims his estradiol(which i forced him to get lol) is normal, total t is normal, and free t is low. problem is, his doctor's lab goes down to 190 for total t....and his dr is a fool.
anyway thanks again for the reply.....it definitley gives me something to consider! i was never too great at math, once igot up to precalculus i decided to change to psych lol. i also did very well in bio(highest marks in class), and got the highest marks in my gen chem lecture, but labs were not something i ssaw myself continuing so that contributed to changing over to psych. Still, ill consider it...and m dad knows some drs, one being an oncologist...so i could maybe shadow her....even though she is very old and prob not informed on anything.
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great post Mike. very honest and upfront.
powerlifty, I will say, if you haven't found your calling then do consider medicine. it can be one of the most meaningful things you do. but, like a physician once told me, he knew doctors who loved their jobs... and others who absolutely hate what they do. now that is coming from an MD though, so you need to see it from that perspective as well. if you love it, then go for it... but if you don't love medicine then STAY AWAY. it can take time to figure this out, but its better to find out early... I ran into a few people over the years that quit during medical school... it's probably a great decision. I only asked one and he didn't regret it.
now... if I could advise someone in medicine today, then I would probably lean towards PA like mike said. PA's tend to love their jobs and flexibility. not to mention, lets be honest here: you don't learn quality of life, wellness, and HRT in medical school! That's all self-taught -- after the fact. so if you need a licence to practice, then get the easier one that gives you a good base - the PA. and then learn all you can and train with physicians who practice HRT.
the best place to start would be to just shadow some doctors. I never had one say "no" to me, but I also tried to pick one's who would say yes lol. you've got to be very serious about this though. it would be incredibly dishonest and unprofessional to shadow a physician if it were just a passing interest (to the doctors, staff, and patients).Last edited by HRTstudent; 07-23-2013 at 10:37 PM.
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07-25-2013, 09:53 PM #7
Go take Organic Chemistry at a university (not community college). Then decide if medicine is the correct career path. It's as good a reality check as there is.
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07-26-2013, 10:09 AM #8Banned
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07-26-2013, 10:31 PM #9
To get into a PA program you will have to complete undergraduate courses in general chemistry, then organic chemistry. Also microbiology and anatomy, in addition to general biology, and other courses. All with an exceptionaly high GPA. Then you will need to score high on the GRE exam. Organic chemistry is an indicator course to medical schools of ones ability to survive the rigors of their program. It would be difficult to survive the pharmocology course in the PA program without a foundation in organic chemistry. It is unlikely one can survive organic chemisty without first doing well in general chemistry, and biochemistry will be damn near impossible with the foundation in both general and organic.
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07-27-2013, 07:56 AM #10Banned
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did the biology courses..aced them..didnt do micro or anatomy and phys bc i didnt need them but that stuff is really easy for me. i got an A in gen chem 1, but dropped out of gen chem 2. id prob be better at organic 1 and 2 bc im good with memorization. I am useless in the labs though, so that was a big part of why i dropped. my undergrad gpa was 3.8.
you take biochem for the pa?
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