clomid

**ararat** · 08-13-2013, 12:19 PM

hello, i was diagnosed with a low test count and doc prescribed clomid. i am new to the world of supplement/ etc, so dont know much about this stuff. I am also 5 weeks away from a show and was wondering if clomid will have a negative impact on my precontest prep? i am not taking anything else currently except fish oil, ec stack, glutamine.

**zillagod** · 08-14-2013, 03:05 PM

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**jimmyinkedup** · 08-14-2013, 03:27 PM

I too and curious about the dosage/usage protocol he prescribed.

**austinite** · 08-14-2013, 03:34 PM

The study that I read last administered 50 mg of Clomiphene on Monday, Wednesday and Friday for 90 days. That protocol seemed to restart the majority of patients successfully. I'll see if I can find it.

**jimmyinkedup** · 08-14-2013, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

The study that I read last administered 50 mg of Clomiphene on Monday, Wednesday and Friday for 90 days. That protocol seemed to restart the majority of patients successfully. I'll see if I can find it.

If its a study out of Brazil and you cannot find it let me know. I think I have it laying around somewhere. Im trying to get an idea what docs out there are actually prescribing IRL not the land of pubmed lol.

**austinite** · 08-14-2013, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

If its a study out of Brazil and you cannot find it let me know. I think I have it laying around somewhere. Im trying to get an idea what docs out there are actually prescribing IRL not the land of pubmed lol.

This is the one....

International Journal of Impotence Research - Clomiphene increases free testosterone levels in men with both secondary hypogonadism and erectile dysfunction: who does and does not benefit?

Of the 272 men with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism and ED, 228 (83.8%) completed a 4-month course of clomiphene citrate, 50 mg orally on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

Our data showed that clomiphene citrate can successfully stimulate the hypothalamus to cause increased testicular testosterone production. Stimulation with 50 mg of oral clomiphene three times weekly may be diagnostic as well as therapeutic.

I'd be interested in seeing the one you're referring to if possible.

**jimmyinkedup** · 08-14-2013, 04:01 PM

Here is the abstartct: Twenty-five milligrams of clomiphene... [Int Braz J Urol. 2012 Jul-Aug] - PubMed - NCBI
Ill get back with the full paper

**austinite** · 08-14-2013, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

Here is the abstartct: Twenty-five milligrams of clomiphene... [Int Braz J Urol. 2012 Jul-Aug] - PubMed - NCBI
Ill get back with the full paper

Awesome, thank you jimmy. Interesting cholesterol findings..

here's the full: :: International Braz J Urol ::

**jimmyinkedup** · 08-14-2013, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Awesome, thank you jimmy. Interesting cholesterol findings..

here's the full: :: International Braz J Urol ::

See I come back with the full and you found it already bro! Nice!
Yeah the study is pretty interesting in a couple ways. I also like that it is current/recent.

**austinite** · 08-14-2013, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

See I come back with the full and you found it already bro! Nice!
Yeah the study is pretty interesting in a couple ways. I also like that it is current/recent.

lol, I was anxious. Certainly a good study, only a year old as you pointed out.

AD · 08-15-2013, 09:40 AM

Have you guys seen these : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed...458540/related

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed...miphene%20safe

**jimmyinkedup** · 08-15-2013, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by ad

have you guys seen these : Outcomes of clomiphene citrate treatmen - PubMed Mobile

Clomiphene citrate is safe and effectiv - PubMed Mobile

ty AD !

AD · 08-15-2013, 05:22 PM

Any verdict? Who has tried clomid-only trt?

**ararat** · 08-16-2013, 01:23 PM

yes it was 25 mg three times a week.

**mkt_cycle** · 08-19-2013, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by AD

Any verdict? Who has tried clomid-only trt?

I'm on Clomid only-- 50mg a day. Been on for about 4 months. It has doubled my T....only problem is that my baseline was 180 to begin with. I'm stuck on it indefinitely until my wife gets pregnant.

**dreadnok89** · 08-19-2013, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by mkt_cycle

I'm on Clomid only-- 50mg a day. Been on for about 4 months. It has doubled my T....only problem is that my baseline was 180 to begin with. I'm stuck on it indefinitely until my wife gets pregnant.

You take it everyday? And do you monitor your estrogen levels too? And why doesn't anyone use nolvadex ?

**ararat** · 08-19-2013, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by mkt_cycle

I'm on Clomid only-- 50mg a day. Been on for about 4 months. It has doubled my T....only problem is that my baseline was 180 to begin with. I'm stuck on it indefinitely until my wife gets pregnant.

MKT cycle.

if you dont mind can you describe the effects clomid had on you? positive and negative.
(changes with body/muscles/ fat loss. fat gain, depression, etc.)
thanks.

**mkt_cycle** · 08-19-2013, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by dreadnok89

You take it everyday? And do you monitor your estrogen levels too? And why doesn't anyone use nolvadex?

Yep, every day. Estridol has been at the top end of the range but my doctor said it was all good. My estrogen was high too when I did injections but still in range.

**mkt_cycle** · 08-19-2013, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by ararat

MKT cycle.

if you dont mind can you describe the effects clomid had on you? positive and negative.
(changes with body/muscles/ fat loss. fat gain, depression, etc.)
thanks.

I haven't had any side effects. I was on injections for 5 years so this is a big change. I feel good though, can't really complain. Never had any depression issues then or now. But, I don't have the same level of energy that I had when I was on injections--it's noticeable. And I've also lost some strength but overall I've maintained most of my muscle for the last 6 months despite an injury that kept me out of the gym for 2 months. I'm starting a bulk now so it will be interesting to see what kind of progress I make over the next 7 or 8 months. My guess is that it's not going to be easy to build more muscle with a 350 test level. Anyway, good luck with your TRT journey.

AD · 08-19-2013, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by mkt_cycle

I haven't had any side effects. I was on injections for 5 years so this is a big change. I feel good though, can't really complain. Never had any depression issues then or now. But, I don't have the same level of energy that I had when I was on injections--it's noticeable. And I've also lost some strength but overall I've maintained most of my muscle for the last 6 months despite an injury that kept me out of the gym for 2 months. I'm starting a bulk now so it will be interesting to see what kind of progress I make over the next 7 or 8 months. My guess is that it's not going to be easy to build more muscle with a 350 test level. Anyway, good luck with your TRT journey.

thats really interesting! you made a successful switch from injecting test to oral clomid after such a long time of shut down. a positive example like that will make a lot of people consider switching.

however, 50mg ed seems a rather high dose for long-term use. one of the studies i found mentioned only 25mg eod or 50mg eod depending on response. in that study, they were aiming for a total T of 500.

AD · 08-19-2013, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by dreadnok89

You take it everyday? And do you monitor your estrogen levels too? And why doesn't anyone use nolvadex?

the safety of long-term nolva in men has not been established yet, i think.

**mkt_cycle** · 08-20-2013, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by AD

thats really interesting! you made a successful switch from injecting test to oral clomid after such a long time of shut down. a positive example like that will make a lot of people consider switching.

however, 50mg ed seems a rather high dose for long-term use. one of the studies i found mentioned only 25mg eod or 50mg eod depending on response. in that study, they were aiming for a total T of 500.

I'll admit I was scared as hell making the switch-- I had no idea what to expect!

In my case I think anything less than 50mg/ed would be pointless. I know that there is not much long term data available so I guess I'm just basically trusting the doctor on this one. He says that he has many patients that have been on for years. He actually suggested that I should continue it indefinitely instead of going back to injections after we have kids. Doubtful I will want go that route but we'll see. From my conversations with him and reading his work, it appears that Clomid is his typical TRT protocol.

**dreadnok89** · 08-20-2013, 11:39 AM

im looking to try this as well. i wanna get my system running again. im thinking maybe if i can keep my test in normal range from 350 to 600 i might be good to go. i noticed nothing having t over 1200. i rather have my balls back and normal sexual feeling

AD · 08-20-2013, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by mkt_cycle

I'll admit I was scared as hell making the switch-- I had no idea what to expect!

In my case I think anything less than 50mg/ed would be pointless. I know that there is not much long term data available so I guess I'm just basically trusting the doctor on this one. He says that he has many patients that have been on for years. He actually suggested that I should continue it indefinitely instead of going back to injections after we have kids. Doubtful I will want go that route but we'll see. From my conversations with him and reading his work, it appears that Clomid is his typical TRT protocol.

yup, everyone is different, and your treatment needs to be tailored to you. your doc sounds rather knowledgeable, its not easy to find a good doc.