18 - 25 Year olds on TRT?

[Ryanmcd]

I think someone needs to come up with a step by step "things to check" before they start going to TRT. It seems this is a new fad that 1 bloodwork with a test level of 250-300 and it's time for TRT and all doctors suck.

Gets old reading this every day and it would be nice to see what they could do like the link LowT Mike posted about diet and how to bring it up, You guys my think it's cool now doing it and think that it's going to fix everything but it does not and if you don't have the $$$ to do all the proper blood work / tests / meds your going to **** yourself up for life and it should not be a GOAL to get on test, it should be a GOAL to do everything else you can so you don't have to.

[powerlifterty16]

I think someone needs to come up with a step by step "things to check" before they start going to TRT. It seems this is a new fad that 1 bloodwork with a test level of 250-300 and it's time for TRT and all doctors suck.

Gets old reading this every day and it would be nice to see what they could do like the link LowT Mike posted about diet and how to bring it up, You guys my think it's cool now doing it and think that it's going to fix everything but it does not and if you don't have the $$$ to do all the proper blood work / tests / meds your going to **** yourself up for life and it should not be a GOAL to get on test, it should be a GOAL to do everything else you can so you don't have to.

instead of being so judgemental and rude to people why dont you focus on yourself. i have had about 5 low readings, and the ''high readings when i was 20-21'' were only in the mid-high 400s which is still low.

i certainly have not rushed into anything.

speaking for nate92, he hasnt either....he has been patient.
end of the day, i dont mind injecting 100 mg of t twice a week. you contradict yourself..you said i should go to the doc and get it over with then you make a thread like this

[austinite]

instead of being so judgemental and rude to people why dont you focus on yourself. i have had about 5 low readings, and the ''high readings when i was 20-21'' were only in the mid-high 400s which is still low.

i certainly have not rushed into anything.

speaking for nate92, he hasnt either....he has been patient.
end of the day, i dont mind injecting 100 mg of t twice a week. you contradict yourself..you said i should go to the doc and get it over with then you make a thread like this

lol powerlifter. Almost 100% of your posts are rude and abrasive. I thought for that reason alone you'd have some thicker skin. I don't think OP intended to offend anyone. Certainly a poor choice of words, but I think he meant well.

[powerlifterty16]

come on man..lol

[austinite]

come on man..lol

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[bdos]

lol powerlifter. Almost 100% of your posts are rude and abrasive. I thought for that reason alone you'd have some thicker skin. I don't think OP intended to offend anyone. Certainly a poor choice of words, but I think he meant well.

Lol thats gold

[Rusty11]

Not quite sure why this is relvolving around one person, NOR DO I CARE. Anyway, there are quite a few youngsters coming here with questions regarding trt. Just like there is a "Young and the steroids " thread in the AAS section, no reason why there can't be some similar info for those young guys thinking trt is their only option.

[Buddyguy]

I don't think I've read one god damn thread on this forum that isn't filled with drama. It's like a big ol clomid party in here

[Megalodon6]

Not quite sure why this is relvolving around one person, NOR DO I CARE. Anyway, there are quite a few youngsters coming here with questions regarding trt. Just like there is a "Young and the steroids" thread in the AAS section, no reason why there can't be some similar info for those young guys thinking trt is their only option.

Agreed!

[Rusty11]

I don't think I've read one god damn thread on this forum that isn't filled with drama. It's like a big ol clomid party in here

It wasn't like this at all when I first joined....I'll leave it at that.

[Ryanmcd]

Yes maybe my wording does suck but I was not trying to be a ass just wanted to see what steps someone in that age range has to do before they should look into HRT and what paperwork needed to be done before that was even a option. I know LowTMike said something about being young is a huge risk for doctors to put someone on HRT so if they could get a so called check list then it maybe easier for the doctor and the patient to get resolved.

[Rusty11]

Ryan, I've read your op three times and can't for the life of me see anything remotely offensive. I agree with what you said.

[LowT Mike]

I think someone needs to come up with a step by step "things to check" before they start going to TRT. It seems this is a new fad that 1 bloodwork with a test level of 250-300 and it's time for TRT and all doctors suck.

Gets old reading this every day and it would be nice to see what they could do like the link LowT Mike posted about diet and how to bring it up, You guys my think it's cool now doing it and think that it's going to fix everything but it does not and if you don't have the $$$ to do all the proper blood work / tests / meds your going to **** yourself up for life and it should not be a GOAL to get on test, it should be a GOAL to do everything else you can so you don't have to.

Point well made. I absolutely agree. If you are 18-29 and have had the pituitary MRI, rulled out variocele, testicular torsion, testicular trauma, head trauma, chromosomal pathology,a complete health history work up ruling out environmental, toxicological, T lowering medications, ect. In addition done everything possible lifestyle/diet wise to maintain a healthy T serum. Only then if you can explain your case with true present Lowt levels, symptoms, no contraindications... Intelligently and organized NOT BASHING DOCTORS and ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW MORE THAN THE DOCTOR then you generally should receive HCG /Clomid therapy to start and only then MAYBE TRT if all of the above fails to give symptomatic relief.

I wouldn't treat anybody that comes into my office acting like a jackass first of all. Then I would have to have of the above completed. Its like a first date where if you decide to go on a second date you are ethically and medically responsible for their health in the eyes of the court of law. Sort of a big deal!! Its not called a "patient-doctor relationship" for nothing. Its just as much a psychological and personality assessment as well. If the doctor feels at all that the patient is going more for muscular gain than symptomatic relief and/or is unruly or not following the doctor dosing instuctions putting the doctors license at risk...You get dumped and dont get asked to prom.

[powerlifterty16]

Yes maybe my wording does suck but I was not trying to be a ass just wanted to see what steps someone in that age range has to do before they should look into HRT and what paperwork needed to be done before that was even a option. I know LowTMike said something about being young is a huge risk for doctors to put someone on HRT so if they could get a so called check list then it maybe easier for the doctor and the patient to get resolved.

the doc i saw today said he knew i wasnt a drug seeker and saw all the testing i had but wouldnt budge.

[LowT Mike]

Yeah...Its not going to be easy. Not many docs are willing to risk there license to treat a 23 year old with TRT.

[powerlifterty16]

Yeah...Its not going to be easy. Not many docs are willing to risk there license to treat a 23 year old with TRT.

you know what's funny mike? When i was 19 a dr was going to give me trt, and he said my t was in the 600s..he never showed me the result though...but he was going to give it...i wasnt ready then though.

im going to give shippen a ring though, it' time i give him a try especially bc i want him to evaluate my thyroid also.

[LowT Mike]

Yeah. You might cost you an arm and a leg. But go with a confident doc.

[Rusty11]

Point well made. I absolutely agree. If you are 18-29 and have had the pituitary MRI, rulled out variocele, testicular torsion, testicular trauma, head trauma, chromosomal pathology,a complete health history work up ruling out environmental, toxicological, T lowering medications, ect. In addition done everything possible lifestyle/diet wise to maintain a healthy T serum. Only then if you can explain your case with true present Lowt levels, symptoms, no contraindications... Intelligently and organized NOT BASHING DOCTORS and ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW MORE THAN THE DOCTOR then you generally should receive HCG /Clomid therapy to start and only then MAYBE TRT if all of the above fails to give symptomatic relief.

I wouldn't treat anybody that comes into my office acting like a jackass first of all. Then I would have to have of the above completed. Its like a first date where if you decide to go on a second date you are ethically and medically responsible for their health in the eyes of the court of law. Sort of a big deal!! Its not called a "patient-doctor relationship" for nothing. Its just as much a psychological and personality assessment as well. If the doctor feels at all that the patient is going more for muscular gain than symptomatic relief and/or is unruly or not following the doctor dosing instuctions putting the doctors license at risk...You get dumped and dont get asked to prom.

And there 'ya go; the perfect sticky. Great post!

[Megalodon6]

Yeah...Its not going to be easy. Not many docs are willing to risk there license to treat a 23 year old with TRT.

If its secondary hypo most of the time isn't it reversible?

[powerlifterty16]

If its secondary hypo most of the time isn't it reversible?

some young guys are primary...but secondary could be treated with hcg ..but i dont think that will work long term as a cure jsut a treatment. if your condition is due to bad eating or drug use then yes it's reversable.

[2Sox]

you know what's funny mike? When i was 19 a dr was going to give me trt, and he said my t was in the 600s..he never showed me the result though...but he was going to give it...i wasnt ready then though.

im going to give shippen a ring though, it' time i give him a try especially bc i want him to evaluate my thyroid also.

When I first began TRT, I called Shippen's office to find out the deal. If I remember correctly, he charges $650 for the first visit and $350 for any following visits. That's 10 month's treatment at LowT. The value is a no-brainer.

[powerlifterty16]

thanks for the prices...confused on what you are saying is the better value? 650 is only 3.5 months...and im guessing shippen doesnt require a lot of visits?

[Nate02]

I think someone needs to come up with a step by step "things to check" before they start going to TRT. It seems this is a new fad that 1 bloodwork with a test level of 250-300 and it's time for TRT and all doctors suck.

Gets old reading this every day and it would be nice to see what they could do like the link LowT Mike posted about diet and how to bring it up, You guys my think it's cool now doing it and think that it's going to fix everything but it does not and if you don't have the $$$ to do all the proper blood work / tests / meds your going to **** yourself up for life and it should not be a GOAL to get on test, it should be a GOAL to do everything else you can so you don't have to.

In no way do I, or I think I can safely say PowerLifty16, think that being on testosterone is "cool". If we thought it was cool I think we join the steroid community and starting "shooting up".

I've worked on approaching this patiently, and as far as I know I have gotten all the right blood tests. I have been and am approaching this from different angles to avoid TRT, but I am running out of options. Just trying to get better like rest of the world ... I hardly think that just because somebody is young they should be criticized for seeking treatment to get better or generalized into ^^^.

And if that wasn't your intentions I would word more carefully.

[Megalodon6]

some young guys are primary...but secondary could be treated with hcg..but i dont think that will work long term as a cure jsut a treatment. if your condition is due to bad eating or drug use then yes it's reversable.

What about cycling aas to young

[2Sox]

thanks for the prices...confused on what you are saying is the better value? 650 is only 3.5 months...and im guessing shippen doesnt require a lot of visits?

If you add the initial $650 and one other visit at $350. Ten months. Don't know what Shippen requires. All I know is when I heard the fees, I uttered some choice expletives. What does he do for that money that the people at LowT don't do? I'm sure nothing at all. Such a believer in TRT - but only for the wealthy. Barry Gordon is imperfect but at least he walks the walk and treats the common man with only a $15 co-pay and takes all insurance.

[powerlifterty16]

If you add the initial $650 and one other visit at $350. Ten months. Don't know what Shippen requires. All I know is when I heard the fees, I uttered some choice expletives. What does he do for that money that the people at LowT don't do? I'm sure nothing at all. Such a believer in TRT - but only for the wealthy. Barry Gordon is imperfect but at least he walks the walk and treats the common man with only a $15 co-pay and takes all insurance.

maybe ill sound like a complete moron but i still dont follow...650 plus 350 is 1000 dollars. 10 months of low t is 2000 dollars.
i think shippen is ok if he only requires two visits a year..that's 1000 bucks, then insurance covers cyp, hopefully no ai is needed, hopefully he can write scripts for bw, and hcg peregnyl is 70 bucks for 2 months.

gordon took united healthcare/oxford when ihad it but idk if he takes the insurance i have now....and idk how kind he'd be now that law states he must allow patients to self inject..aka no more money for him...ive also heard from a not so reputable source(a dickhead urologist my dad and i know) that gordon is getting arrested because he ''wrongfully'' is treating young guys with testosterone .

i think for me though it's more beneficial to go the shippen route..as a young guy i have more to lose than you..aka i could **** myself up worse

[2Sox]

maybe ill sound like a complete moron but i still dont follow...650 plus 350 is 1000 dollars. 10 months of low t is 2000 dollars.
i think shippen is ok if he only requires two visits a year..that's 1000 bucks, then insurance covers cyp, hopefully no ai is needed, hopefully he can write scripts for bw, and hcg peregnyl is 70 bucks for 2 months.

gordon took united healthcare/oxford when ihad it but idk if he takes the insurance i have now....and idk how kind he'd be now that law states he must allow patients to self inject..aka no more money for him...ive also heard from a not so reputable source(a dickhead urologist my dad and i know) that gordon is getting arrested because he ''wrongfully'' is treating young guys with testosterone .

i think for me though it's more beneficial to go the shippen route..as a young guy i have more to lose than you..aka i could **** myself up worse

Power,
You're no moron at all. I'm the one who forgot to divide by two!

Dickhead and reputable seem to be contradictory descriptions. Maybe your urologist knows the Captain of detectives in Gordon's precinct. Let's face it; nobody "gets" arrested. They either are or they aren't arrested. I'm sure Dr. Gordon will be around for a very long time to come.

[powerlifterty16]

Power,
You're no moron at all. I'm the one who forgot to divide by two!

Dickhead and reputable seem to be contradictory descriptions. Maybe your urologist knows the Captain of detectives in Gordon's precinct. Let's face it; nobody "gets" arrested. They either are or they aren't arrested. I'm sure Dr. Gordon will be around for a very long time to come.

so witht hat being said do you think shippen is worth it?
i said the urologist is NOT reputable! he is a bad urologist and a bad person. my family goes way back with him..like 60 years...he was always a jealous guy.
he called me out at costco for being on shots bc i opened my mouth about having low t.