using clomid while on test cyp - long term

**headshaver** · 09-05-2013, 12:09 PM

Hello everyone. I am 47, been on trt from doc for 2 years now. 100 mg IM weekly. also take aramidex for estrogen taking 1mg weekly. I also take 1cc HCG in muscle weekly before test shot for my balls. Love the test, changed my life and helped rebuild my marriage. I want two thngs:
1. Increase my test levels a little more without increasing cyp shot (doc monitors my script close)
2. I want my load back - the hcg certainly helped get my balls back but my load is basically gone (compared to pre test days)
clomid will help with both of these issues - correct?
If so, can i take clomid along with my test regimen? I am a long term trt guy here - dont plan on getting off test cyp shots but want a little more natural test and really want my load back.
Opinions?

**austinite** · 09-05-2013, 12:24 PM

Welcome headshaver (soon to be me as well

),

Clomiphene is used to aid secretion of LH at the pituitary. Both: Testosterone and hCG are suppressive to this act. Clomiphene would be rendered useless in the presence of Testosterone and hCG.

On a side note, you might consider splitting your testosterone dose into 2 weekly injections, or moving your hCG dose so you can strategically time it to aid in preventing any "dips" in your levels.

**txheadshaver** · 09-05-2013, 09:32 PM

Thanks so much for the info. Guess the info I read online somewhere about clomid helping with ur load was wrong or perhaps the guy was not on HCG or something. So back to square one - want to get a bump on natural test production while on cyp. Which isn't possible as the body stops producing natural test when one pins test. The load thing is different. I believe. I've done the zinc one some other herb but no help. What gives?

**austinite** · 09-05-2013, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by txheadshaver

Thanks so much for the info. Guess the info I read online somewhere about clomid helping with ur load was wrong or perhaps the guy was not on HCG or something. So back to square one - want to get a bump on natural test production while on cyp. Which isn't possible as the body stops producing natural test when one pins test. The load thing is different. I believe. I've done the zinc one some other herb but no help. What gives?

Are you talking about increasing ejaculate volume?

**powerlifterty16** · 09-05-2013, 09:45 PM

why would clomid be useless Austin? can't clomid and cyp be used in place of hcg to keep lh active?
btw idk if the clomid is working but just had a lot of ejaculate volume..tmi i know lol.

**austinite** · 09-05-2013, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by powerlifterty16

why would clomid be useless Austin? can't clomid and cyp be used in place of hcg to keep lh active?
btw idk if the clomid is working but just had a lot of ejaculate volume..tmi i know lol.

Testosterone will overpower anything that clomid can do unless his HPTA is hyper-sensitive to Clomiphene, which is rare. This is the very reason that folks who cycle do not use Clomid on cycle, but for PCT rather. Compound that shuts you down + Restarter = not likely to work in combination.

Lecithin can be used at 3600mg daily to increase ejaculate volume.

**Moparman** · 09-06-2013, 06:31 AM

My clinic offers Clomid as an alternative to Hcg for people who travel a lot- Since u need to refrigerate the Hcg

**headshaver** · 09-06-2013, 09:26 PM

Hi. So yes, I'm talking about ejaculate volume. Seems as though as long as I can remember since being on test my load has been a thing of the past. Good to know about clinic and traveling. I travel a lot for work.

**HRTstudent** · 09-06-2013, 09:58 PM

both testosterone and estradiol tell the brain to shut down testosterone production. the brain's sensitivity to estradiol is far more pronounced, but even in the absence, the brain would still "see" that there is plenty of testosterone. you can't get a free lunch.

but is there any benefit, even slight? the answer to this is probably much less straightforward. I imagine it is plausible and possible.

**wizarddeath** · 09-07-2013, 10:05 AM

Austine,

I am on 130mg test C weekly(thursday morning), and have been instructured by my Dr to take Clomid 50mg 2 x weekly(tues/thursday). We were using the clomid to assist with sperm production. Is he informing me correctly?

He offered me to do HCG or clomid.

**austinite** · 09-07-2013, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by wizarddeath

Austine,

I am on 130mg test C weekly(thursday morning), and have been instructured by my Dr to take Clomid 50mg 2 x weekly(tues/thursday). We were using the clomid to assist with sperm production. Is he informing me correctly?

He offered me to do HCG or clomid.

Well I don't want to get people confused between sperm count and ejaculate volume. Those are 2 different things. For sperm, you may want to research HMG. But only lab work will determine if something works for you. Not everyone will respond the same. For sperm production, both; natural testosterone and Follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) are required to stimulate healthy Sertoli cells. But follow your doctors orders and follow up with labs to see if clomid helped first.

**VTX1800** · 09-07-2013, 04:54 PM

I take 25 mgs of clomid daily with cyp hcg and anastrozole. It has kept my fertility in check and my doc knows what she is doing. So yes to clomid if u want my .2 cents!!!!! There r plenty of haters out there that will tell you it's useless to take but I for one have BW to prove it worked for me! Cheers!!

**powerlifterty16** · 09-07-2013, 05:16 PM

vtx are your lh and fsh normal? can u post the labs?

**austinite** · 09-07-2013, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by VTX1800

I take 25 mgs of clomid daily with cyp hcg and anastrozole. It has kept my fertility in check and my doc knows what she is doing. So yes to clomid if u want my .2 cents!!!!! There r plenty of haters out there that will tell you it's useless to take but I for one have BW to prove it worked for me! Cheers!!

Haters? How old are you? This is merely a discussion, don't get carried away now. OP is not referencing sperm count anyway.