Steroid cycle on HRT?

[tox2501]

I'm having problems finding info on this. I'm assuming the PCT would be different. Do people just bump up the dose of their therapeutic test, do they take other steroids ? I'm assuming there is still a need to cycle to so that the androgen receptors don't down regulate and become less sensitive to testosterone .

[tectime]

No real pct when hrt. Not needed. Alot of ways of " cycling " when on hrt. You can add other compounds, you can up your dosages and/ or any combo you feel would be beneficial. When through your "cycle " just go back to hrt doses. But remember when you add compounds or up doses you are changing your whole protocol. You will need to adjust ai, add other support ingredients depending on what compounds you utilize.

[austinite]

As Tectime stated, you would just go back to your therapy.

[TestingMe]

lmao @ your location Austinite..: >

[austinite]

lmao @ your location Austinite..: >

Live and breath it

[Metalject]

I'm having problems finding info on this. I'm assuming the PCT would be different. Do people just bump up the dose of their therapeutic test, do they take other steroids ? I'm assuming there is still a need to cycle to so that the androgen receptors don't down regulate and become less sensitive to testosterone.

Above in red, don't worry about this. The whole burn out the receptor theory is something some 14yr old boy on a message board once made up to sound smart....and people bought it. It's funny how that happens. It only takes one person making a comment like that and if it's worded just right people often bite it hook line and sinker. I remember years ago on this board there was a certain someone on here who is in my opinion responsible for more false steroid knowledge that sounds good but simply isn't true than anyone else on earth. And he didn't post just here, he was every where. Some of you old guys know exactly who I'm talking about.

BTW, this isn't a jab at you tox2501, just a comment.

[tox2501]

Don't worry about it Metalject. I always appreciate feedback from more knowledgeable members with actual AAS experience. I've read that there is a drop off in the effectiveness of AAS after a few months of use which is why a 8-12 week cycle was recommended. I assumed that this is due to receptor down regulation.

If there is no down regulation and you weren't planning on restoring normal HPTA functioning, does that mean that you can take bodybuilding doses of AAS (non oral) indefinitely? Do body building doses of steroids become less effective with prolonged use?

[tectime]

Hpta shutdown is not the only issue that comes with excessive hormone/steroid usage. I'm not talking about the little shit like pimples on your back but for real issues. Mainly high blood pressure, high red blood count, serious stuff. You can run very high doses of aas if you can handle Bp up around 150/130 or more, can sleep with the sound of your heart beating so loud that you wake your wife up, having a headache from the blood banging up the back of your neck. Sure you can donate/drain blood( sounding better and better huh!) but dude the reason cycles are for only so long is because you have to let your body take a break and reset and rebuild. Steroids do not lose their effects nor does your body lose the ability to utilize those effects with prolonged use but you will always see better results after giving your body a break.

[tectime]

And no you can't run grams of juice a wk for very long dude, and neither do pros. Some people can run 700mgs for yrs. ( you are reading what one is writing right now hahaha) of different compounds but you better be very educated to what you are doing or very quick to learn and adapt to how your body is going to respond. And very healthy and resilient. I run half that amount now for maint. and I feel and see gains every time I cycle up.

[kelkel]

lmao @ your location Austinite..: >

Plus it's really hard to get there.

[Metalject]

Hpta shutdown is not the only issue that comes with excessive hormone/steroid usage. I'm not talking about the little shit like pimples on your back but for real issues. Mainly high blood pressure, high red blood count, serious stuff. You can run very high doses of aas if you can handle Bp up around 150/130 or more, can sleep with the sound of your heart beating so loud that you wake your wife up, having a headache from the blood banging up the back of your neck. Sure you can donate/drain blood( sounding better and better huh!) but dude the reason cycles are for only so long is because you have to let your body take a break and reset and rebuild. Steroids do not lose their effects nor does your body lose the ability to utilize those effects with prolonged use but you will always see better results after giving your body a break.

It just depends on the person. I'm not advocating high dose gear use or indefinite high dose gear use, but I can say from my own experience that the things you mentioned do not always hold true.

During my bodybuilding days I was lucky to have blood work and a basic checkup done every 16wks for free for about 10yrs. I'm sure if that free checkup wasn't available to me I probably wouldn't have messed with it but it was there so I took advantage of it. In 10yrs, my blood pressure stayed constant at 120/80 with one random exception that did not last long. The hard/harsh heart beat, my resting heart rate always stayed fairly low, still is but I do remember times when it felt like each beat was much stronger/harder when I laid in bed it night. It was a little strange but this was rare.

The biggest stack I ever ran:

Test-e: 250mg/ed
Tren -a: 100mg/ed
Dbol : 50mg/ed
Deca : 100mg/wk
Winstrol : 100mg/ed

No issues whatsoever of any kind.

I've also stayed on cycle for 30+wks several times in the past, such as:

16wks Test 250mg/eod & Deca 600mg/wk with HGH at 4iu/ed
Followed by 16wks of contest prep, same test and HGH dose as off-season 8-12wks of Tren anywhere from 100-200mg/eod, same for Masteron and normally 200mg/eod of NPP or EQ early on. Always T3 during this phase, usually the entire 16wks of the diet and sometimes Clen too.

Again, I never had any issues.

Am I lucky? Maybe. I would say more people than not would have issues running gear like that but I didn't and I know a few other guys that can say the same. I'm speaking of close friends who I know well and know everything about. My point, it's not one size fits all.

[Metalject]

Plus it's really hard to get there.

Ha, best post ever!

[tectime]

Metel I agree not everyone has all the reactions that I listed but all of them are possible. And true again on long term high dose usage. I don't have any issues with it hell I love it! I only cut my dose to my maint. cause of the other side effect of large doses, WORKING OUT LIKE A MONSTER hahaha ! I ****ed my shoulder up hitting to hard on my last deca run. so you can handle the large doses and I can handle the large doses but dude not everybody can. I just answered his question about can you longterm and does your body stop responding as well. Yes you can longterm and yes you will continue to improve as you do. The trick is to keep estrogen at bay. And yes now a days we are blessed to have the med assistance like bloodwork and estrogen blockers and hcg to help get the most out of any size dose you choose to utilize.