New England Journal of Medicine

[kelkel]

Short article. Read the last sentence of the conclusion. Finally catching on....


http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1206168

[t-dogg]

Short article. Read the last sentence of the conclusion. Finally catching on....

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1206168

Interesting

[jimmyinkedup]

Nice to see things slowly but surely coming around...

[61er]

Front page story on this research in today's New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/sc...f=general&_r=0

[powerlifterty16]

The data suggest that men with levels around 300 nanograms who complain of sexual problems may want to try testosterone , but those who complain of flagging muscle strength should not blame testosterone deficiency, Dr. Finkelstein said. But, he added, “symptoms of low testosterone tend to be quite vague.”

bs

[The Deadlifting Dog]

The data suggest that men with levels around 300 nanograms who complain of sexual problems may want to try testosterone , but those who complain of flagging muscle strength should not blame testosterone deficiency, Dr. Finkelstein said. But, he added, "symptoms of low testosterone tend to be quite vague."

bs

I am a little confused. What part is bs?

[clarky.]

Short article. Read the last sentence of the conclusion. Finally catching on....


MMS: Error

There fast eh

[dreadnok89]

Made a mistake

[powerlifterty16]

I am a little confused. What part is bs?

part that muscle loss isnt really seen in the low levels of the normal range.

[kelkel]

Made a mistake

Happens to the best of us!

[Ryanmcd]

part that muscle loss isnt really seen in the low levels of the normal range.

I had a 400 squat 500 dead and 300 bench @ 200 TT @ 35 Years old. My IGF1 was 420 so I think that helped my lifts a lot and I think I had low test my whole life and have always been very strong so I think he maybe right.

[Juced_porkchop]

Nice to see things slowly but surely coming around...

amen to that!

[The Deadlifting Dog]

part that muscle loss isnt really seen in the low levels of the normal range.

The doctor didn't say muscle loss isn't seen. He said strength loss wasn't seen.

"The data suggest that men with levels around 300 nanograms who complain of sexual problems may want to try testosterone , but those who complain of flagging muscle strength should not blame testosterone deficiency, Dr. Finkelstein said. But, he added, "symptoms of low testosterone tend to be quite vague."

[powerlifterty16]

The doctor didn't say muscle loss isn't seen. He said strength loss wasn't seen.

"The data suggest that men with levels around 300 nanograms who complain of sexual problems may want to try testosterone , but those who complain of flagging muscle strength should not blame testosterone deficiency, Dr. Finkelstein said. But, he added, "symptoms of low testosterone tend to be quite vague."

i think in another part of the article he mentioned muscle too, but either way i think what he said about strength is bs.

[powerlifterty16]

I had a 400 squat 500 dead and 300 bench @ 200 TT @ 35 Years old. My IGF1 was 420 so I think that helped my lifts a lot and I think I had low test my whole life and have always been very strong so I think he maybe right.

im not saying you cant be strong. I bench around 3 plates, before i ****ed my back up i dled mid 4's and squat well it's not great but i can do around 245x20 if i have steam coming out of my ears. Yes you can get strong, but i definitley think going from 190 like you had to 900 will result in large improvements. Plus dude if you had high igf 1 you arent the typical andropausal low t male

[powerlifterty16]

The doctor didn't say muscle loss isn't seen. He said strength loss wasn't seen.

"The data suggest that men with levels around 300 nanograms who complain of sexual problems may want to try testosterone , but those who complain of flagging muscle strength should not blame testosterone deficiency, Dr. Finkelstein said. But, he added, "symptoms of low testosterone tend to be quite vague."

But Dr. Finkelstein’s study found that muscle strength and size turn out to be unaffected until testosterone levels drop very low, below 200 nanograms. Fat accumulation, however, kicks in at higher testosterone levels: at 300 to 350 nanograms of testosterone, estrogen levels sink low enough that middle-aged spread begins.

[dreadnok89]

I had a 400 squat 500 dead and 300 bench @ 200 TT @ 35 Years old. My IGF1 was 420 so I think that helped my lifts a lot and I think I had low test my whole life and have always been very strong so I think he maybe right.

There is a big difference muscle and strength. I always been my whole life and at 90 total T I was benching 405 however still did not have much muscle on me and recovery times were a too damn long.

[powerlifterty16]

There is a big difference muscle and strength. I always been my whole life and at 90 total T I was benching 405 however still did not have much muscle on me and recovery times were a too damn long.

tthe ****? 405 with lowt? did u ever use steroids because if so it isnt really the same as what i or ryan did lol
i agree you could get strong with low t but nowhere near where u could get with normal or high t.

[dreadnok89]

Never did roads at all. I'm pretty sure my problem stems from anti depressants. My strength hasn't gone down with low t but mY muscle has and stomach fat went very high. 2 years on hrt I've lost 50 pounds and got some strength back

[Ryanmcd]

strength = CNS for the most part so that's why the doc is right.

[roxer]

I thought an increase in E2 meant increased belly fat? He says its from a decrease or none? Maybe the issue is balance and not lower or higher? I'll be happy when I find that number...

[roxer]

Now that I think of it, at 200-300ng/dl, the only big problem I had was libido and sleep deprivation. I was getting stronger (not bigger) and had low body fat (I ran 5 days a week). When I introduced test (testim), I started getting bigger, stronger and more ripped. Had an awesome libido and slept great. That lasted for a whole two years and then came rapidly crashing down. Now I am in search for that feeling again. So far nada even on shots, HCG and aromasin . Maybe I should just go back to where I was based on that article.