The Bass Method for Subcutaneous Injections

[clarkster]

I was ready to write off SQ injections as not working for me. But, I thought I'd try the Bass Method for at least 2 months and see what happens. I named it after Bass and the way I understand it to work and the way I did it was this: I take 60mg. Test SQ twice a week (Tuesday and Friday) for a total of 120mg. Test a week. I filled my insulin pin to 30 (60mg. of Test) Inject half of that dose into my thigh (vastus lateralis to be specific) then inject the other half into my stomach.
I just got back from the Dr and he went over my labs. The amount of Test has always been the same. And staying with HCG M-W-F 250ius. And the testing protocol has never changed. I would have blood taken on Friday morning, before my second weekly Test injection. My T level on my last test was 505, doing SQ as well, but only injecting in one location. And today, after 2 months of following the Bass Method, my T level was 675. He thought I'd raised my dose of Test. E2 level was in check at 38. And most importantly I feel great. My Dr wants to check labs again in 2 months. He was stunned at the rise in T levels, while keeping the dosage the same. I hope this continues. Thanks Bass.

[ZenFitness]

That's great news clarkster... gives me some confidence to be open to trying SQ! I'm going to give it a couple of months where I am and reevaluate later in the year.

[bass]

thanks for the feedback Clarkster, I am happy it worked for you too. that's a little more than 25% increase! very significant IMO. I been calling it TSI (two spot injection), but I like the Bass Method too

[LowT Mike]

Its important to remember when you do a subq injection not to go into a real fatty piece of tissue. If you have a big gut dont grab a roll and inject where the most fat is. You want to choose a subq area where you only pinch 3/4 of an inch or less of fat. Thierry Hertoghe first wrote about this in his Hormone Handbook and how it can effect some mens absorption.

[Brett N]

So what does that mean? Where would the ideal spot to inject be if you do have somewhat of a gut? Would the vastus lateralis be better? And, would that still be subQ or IM?

[LowT Mike]

quad would be IM if your in the muscle. Higher on the abdominal wall. Further out from the navel. Right above the knee there is a small piece of fatty tissue. Just have to get it right under the skin.

[tripperdogg]

Bass is the man !

[FRDave]

Its important to remember when you do a subq injection not to go into a real fatty piece of tissue. If you have a big gut dont grab a roll and inject where the most fat is. You want to choose a subq area where you only pinch 3/4 of an inch or less of fat. Thierry Hertoghe first wrote about this in his Hormone Handbook and how it can effect some mens absorption.

What is your reasoning for this? I grab the fastest part of the upper glutes (2" wide pinch) and my levels are in the upper 900's via sub-Q only injecting 40mg twice per week (80mg total weekly / going on 10 months now).

[bass]

maybe this applies only around the belly button, not really sure. but I been injecting in any fat slab I can find in my body and my levels are in the 900s injecting 120 ew. perhaps les veins in thicker areas?!

[clarkster]

I would kill to have my levels in the 900's, just to see what that felt like. Like Bass, I inject in the stomach. But, I'm not lean. I don't pin too close to the navel either.
So, me pinning in the thigh with a slin pin is actually IM and not SQ? Am I defeating the purpose of injecting in the vastus lateralis with a slin pin?

[TJunior]

My serum level went from 416 ng/dl to 968 ng/dl and free went .93 to 1.70 with doing the first six weeks I'm then switched to sub q in the glutes

[ppwc1985]

I would kill to have my levels in the 900's, just to see what that felt like. Like Bass, I inject in the stomach. But, I'm not lean. I don't pin too close to the navel either. So, me pinning in the thigh with a slin pin is actually IM and not SQ? Am I defeating the purpose of injecting in the vastus lateralis with a slin pin?

i think what mike was saying is if you actually put it into the quad muscle, I think if you grab the fat and inject into it, doesn't really matter where on the body. That's what it sounds like to me. If it's not into the muscle it's not IM.

[ppwc1985]

I'm gonna start pinning two areas, the bass way.

[keep fightin]

Bass,always an innovator!

[clarkster]

My serum level went from 416 ng/dl to 968 ng/dl and free went .93 to 1.70 with doing the first six weeks I'm then switched to sub q in the glutes

Where were you pinning the 1st six weeks?

[ppwc1985]

Bass, when you talk two different spots, this is two sub-q spots right?

[FRDave]

Bass, when you talk two different spots, this is two sub-q spots right?

Correct.

[ppwc1985]

Thks gonna give this try.

[seekinghelp]

As someone who's thinking of going straight to SubQ, can anyone share how they inject successfully? No aspiration necessary correct?

[bass]

my original intention when I did the TSI was to prevent lumps, so the test level increase was a side effect I didn't expect. basically you more with less.

[clarkster]

As someone who's thinking of going straight to SubQ, can anyone share how they inject successfully? No aspiration necessary correct?

You are correct sir. No aspiration needed.
And yes, please everyone share your SQ success stories. It seems (based on the number of PM's I've gotten in the last 24 hours) people might be confused with SQ injections.
Maybe a sticky dedicated to SQ protocol?

[clarkster]

my original intention when I did the TSI was to prevent lumps, so the test level increase was a side effect I didn't expect. basically you more with less.

Sometimes it's the unintended results that are the breakthroughs.

[bass]

I would kill to have my levels in the 900's, just to see what that felt like. Like Bass, I inject in the stomach. But, I'm not lean. I don't pin too close to the navel either.
So, me pinning in the thigh with a slin pin is actually IM and not SQ? Am I defeating the purpose of injecting in the vastus lateralis with a slin pin?

have you tried pining on both gauds in stead of one on quads and one on stomach fat? for some reason I didn't get good results pining around the belly button. maybe if you do both quads or glutes would work better for you. I only do quads and this is how I rotate to avoid lumps and soreness. see pic.

[clarkster]

I haven't tried both quads. But, since you mentioned it, I will. Don't know about glutes though. I'm not sure I'm flexible enough to pinch the skin AND inject. And that's what some people have been PMing me, Do you have to pinch the skin to obtain an SQ injection or can you just (especially in hard to reach places) inject WITHOUT pinching the skin?

[bass]

in glutes I have enough fat and don't need to pinch, simply stab it in and inject. quads I pinch and its easy. like the pick shows you can only use your quads, there is enough pad in there to rotate between injections.

[Brett N]

When you inject in 2 spots - do you just use alcohol to clean both spots but use the same needle?

[FRDave]

When you inject in 2 spots - do you just use alcohol to clean both spots but use the same needle?

Correct. Fill syringe with entire dose, clean both injection areas, inject first spot with half dose, pull out and inject second spot with remaining dose.

[bass]

When you inject in 2 spots - do you just use alcohol to clean both spots but use the same needle?

yes. for example fill your syringe to your full dose, inject 1/2 in one spot, pull out, stab in second location and inject the rest. make sure the spots you choose are far apart, like one on one thigh and two on the other thigh.

[TJunior]

Where were you pinning the 1st six weeks?

IM in the glutes. 75 mg on Monday and 75 mg on Thursday

[kelkel]

What is your reasoning for this? I grab the fastest part of the upper glutes (2" wide pinch) and my levels are in the upper 900's via sub-Q only injecting 40mg twice per week (80mg total weekly / going on 10 months now).

Exactly how fast are your glutes again? And why are your lower glutes slower?




ha.

[FRDave]

Exactly how fast are your glutes again? And why are your lower glutes slower? ha.

Lol. Gotta love spell check.

[Failure]

I get my first bloodwork test tomorrow. I am really interested in switching to SQ shots but I don't want levels to go down, depending on what they are. Is it worth it to try or stick to IM? Also, I carry all of my fat in the stomach and have been pinning in the gut, would that reduce the effect of HCG and B12?

[bass]

I get my first bloodwork test tomorrow. I am really interested in switching to SQ shots but I don't want levels to go down, depending on what they are. Is it worth it to try or stick to IM? Also, I carry all of my fat in the stomach and have been pinning in the gut, would that reduce the effect of HCG and B12?

what's the reason for switching? for water based injections you can pretty much inject anywhere there is a little fat, so you don't need to inject all in one location. for me if I ever get to the point where there isn't enough fat to do SQ (wishful thinking) I simply go IM. I haven't tried injecting under the skin so not sure if that works or not! might be my next experiment

[clarkster]

Its important to remember when you do a subq injection not to go into a real fatty piece of tissue. If you have a big gut dont grab a roll and inject where the most fat is. You want to choose a subq area where you only pinch 3/4 of an inch or less of fat. Thierry Hertoghe first wrote about this in his Hormone Handbook and how it can effect some mens absorption.

I think this is very important to people that have tried SQ and it didn't work for them. I was injecting in my stomach and my levels peaked at 505. I probably had too much body fat for proper absorption. I thought SQ was SQ and it didn't dawn on me that there are better locations to inject.

[Brett N]

That was exactly my thinking also, I can easily pinch 1.5 inches of fat in my belly. Gonna switch it up and see how it goes.

[Failure]

what's the reason for switching? for water based injections you can pretty much inject anywhere there is a little fat, so you don't need to inject all in one location. for me if I ever get to the point where there isn't enough fat to do SQ (wishful thinking) I simply go IM. I haven't tried injecting under the skin so not sure if that works or not! might be my next experiment

No real reason other than I can pin myself subQ and not have to worry about my woman sticking me. Maybe also the added benefit of higher test levels but I don't really know what I am at atm.

[rustyjames]

I get my first bloodwork test tomorrow. I am really interested in switching to SQ shots but I don't want levels to go down, depending on what they are. Is it worth it to try or stick to IM? Also, I carry all of my fat in the stomach and have been pinning in the gut, would that reduce the effect of HCG and B12?

I switched to subq about 2 months ago, haven't done BW since but I haven't noticed any difference. Subq is just SO much less of a ordeal. I read about bass or FRDave injecting in 2 different sites and have been pinning in opposite sides of my stomach, pretty close to my naval. After reading more about how they do it I'm going to start splitting it between thigh and gut. think I'll wait to after BW, see what kind of difference it makes. Thanks again for the knowledge.

[bass]

No real reason other than I can pin myself subQ and not have to worry about my woman sticking me. Maybe also the added benefit of higher test levels but I don't really know what I am at atm.

makes sense. try to test your level before you switch so you can compare.

[clarkster]

Just switched using TBM (The Bass Method) in both thighs and not stomach, like I had for the last 2 months. I'll run BW in about 6-8 weeks to see how doing it this way goes. Thanks again Bass.

[bass]

you're welcome. I upped my does to 70mgs twice a week with 0.25 mg AI, been feeling much better on this dose. I just ordered BW for next week, i'll let you know when I post it.