Doc will only give me Androgel 1.62

**CobraMustangSVT** · 10-09-2013, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by dreadnok89

I just got my text results back and my test was 1457 and my free t was 55, from a scale of 1- 25. Also my estrodial was 30.3.

Thats from 4 pumps of androgel and hcg yse

Holy shit!!!! That is great. Let me ask a question. When you take the blood test, do you put the gel on before the test, or do you take the test early in the morning, then put on Androgel after your blood test?

**GSXRvi6** · 10-09-2013, 09:35 PM

I was going to do the gel, I wasn't too sure about it, have to apply EVERY DAY have to worry about kids/woman touch you or your cloths, doc recommended I put it on before bed and wear a T-shirt... screw that shit.. anyway my insurance won't cover gel so I went to the needle, fast, easy, 0 cross contamination issues, cheaper, and I don't have to mess with it every day.

But to each their own, I'm a needle man myself.

Not being able to grow muscle was one motivator for me to go on TRT, but not the primary motivator. Getting back into the gym and not being able to even get a muscle pump was a red flag that there was more going on than just being out of shape for me.

**dreadnok89** · 10-10-2013, 05:28 AM

Haha powerlifterty! I put it on area real early like 5 am and my blood test was at 4 pm. My test was really really low before hrt

**dreadnok89** · 10-10-2013, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by GSXRvi6

I was going to do the gel, I wasn't too sure about it, have to apply EVERY DAY have to worry about kids/woman touch you or your cloths, doc recommended I put it on before bed and wear a T-shirt... screw that shit.. anyway my insurance won't cover gel so I went to the needle, fast, easy, 0 cross contamination issues, cheaper, and I don't have to mess with it every day.

But to each their own, I'm a needle man myself.

Not being able to grow muscle was one motivator for me to go on TRT, but not the primary motivator. Getting back into the gym and not being able to even get a muscle pump was a red flag that there was more going on than just being out of shape for me.

Ya I had worse problems than that. I have always been a big dude with muscle regardless of my t levels except in the stomach and love handles which is a notorious spot for low-t

**CobraMustangSVT** · 10-10-2013, 09:06 AM

Thanks for sharing your experiences dreadnok89.

So when it's time for a blood test, do I take it early (before I apply the gel) or do I apply the gel in the morning and go to the testing office and get my blood drawn?

Thanks

**xcraider37** · 10-10-2013, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by dreadnok89

Ya I had worse problems than that. I have always been a big dude with muscle regardless of my t levels except in the stomach and love handles which is a notorious spot for low-t

I would like to see your blood test results in the morning, after a really good shower, no gel and then get tested, my point being you maybe contaminating the needle with gel. Very rare for anyone to get those #'s consistantly on gels, but if you are and they are valid blood test obviously your dose needs to be cut to 3 pumps. You must absorb that sh1t very well.

**dreadnok89** · 10-11-2013, 07:16 AM

Where the doc took the blood there was no residue or any applied to the spot. I also use hcg , maybe that bumps me up?

**dreadnok89** · 10-11-2013, 07:21 AM

Well also with no gel wouldn't it be lower anyway?

**dreadnok89** · 10-12-2013, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by xcraider37

I would like to see your blood test results in the morning, after a really good shower, no gel and then get tested, my point being you maybe contaminating the needle with gel. Very rare for anyone to get those #'s consistantly on gels, but if you are and they are valid blood test obviously your dose needs to be cut to 3 pumps. You must absorb that sh1t very well.

That's like you going for a blood test after waiting 2 weeks after your last shot. My tests has been consistently 800 to 1200. The main factor is hcg and exestamane.

**CobraMustangSVT** · 10-12-2013, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by dreadnok89

That's like you going for a blood test after waiting 2 weeks after your last shot. My tests has been consistently 800 to 1200. The main factor is hcg and exestamane.

You need an AI on the gel? I was hoping to avoid that? Could you drop your dose and get rid of the AI? I wonder what my number would be on 2 pumps and HCG twice a week at 250IU's

**dreadnok89** · 10-12-2013, 03:40 PM

I use the ai to get my free test up. Exestamane works pretty damn good and never kills my estrogen. Everybody is different. On a side note, how would I contaminate a needle if the doc takes from a site I didn't apply the gel?

**61er** · 10-12-2013, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Low Testosterone

The idea of cross-contamination is perhaps one of the biggest overblown ideas in TRT. I'm convinced that the same people that said testosterone will force you to become a raging mass murder are the ones that started the contamination insanity. There are actually several documented studies where they have covered a man in testosterone cream and tied a women to him for 12-24hrs. How much cross-contamination was there in any of the studies? Zero.

Agree! I am so sick of the commercials that repeatedly warn about the risk of exposure -- and little else. No mention that (1) one's natural production of T will shut down, (2) other medications may be necessary, and (3) you may require treatment for the rest of your life!

**powerlifterty16** · 10-12-2013, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by 61er

Agree! I am so sick of the commercials that repeatedly warn about the risk of exposure -- and little else. No mention that (1) one's natural production of T will shut down, (2) other medications may be necessary, and (3) you may require treatment for the rest of your life!

surprised they dont need to mention that natty production gets shut down in the fine print..shouldnt that be a side effect?
btw if i were to use a gel, id go with testim, the ladies supposedly love the pheromones in it

**dreadnok89** · 10-12-2013, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by powerlifterty16

surprised they dont need to mention that natty production gets shut down in the fine print..shouldnt that be a side effect?
btw if i were to use a gel, id go with testim, the ladies supposedly love the pheromones in it

Does it matter if your pumping out 100 to 225 natural test?

**powerlifterty16** · 10-12-2013, 10:21 PM

a lot of these old guys may have t anywhere from 200-400. most guys dont have t that low..even on this board id guess most guys were in the 300s. you and kel are prob the lowest ha. Your t is crazy low considering you've never juiced....but it's remarkable how you benched 405.

**dreadnok89** · 10-13-2013, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by powerlifterty16

a lot of these old guys may have t anywhere from 200-400. most guys dont have t that low..even on this board id guess most guys were in the 300s. you and kel are prob the lowest ha. Your t is crazy low considering you've never juiced....but it's remarkable how you benched 405.

Ya but low is low. Ranges are only for scumbag insurance agencies. Someone could feel like extreme garbage with 305 test and 7 estrogen. So my point was does it matter if your natural test production does not cut it at all? Also some doctors believe you should never be under 600 at any time at any age. Test does more for your body then you can feel at any given time.