low t at 22

**Megalodon6** · 10-10-2013, 02:15 PM

Ok so I have done two cycles both before 21 yes stupid I know I did not educate myself and I've learned the hard way.

Anyways the I had symptoms of low t for about a year. Went to about 4 docs all told me I was fine and my body would fix itself. So I contacted lowt.com and got accepted. Blood work came back

CBC with differential platelet

Wbc - 5.4 (3.4-10.8)

RBC-5.30 (4.14-5.80)

Hemoglobin 16.6 (12.6-17.71)

Hematocrit-48.6 (37.5-51.07)

Mcv-92 (79-97)

Mch-31.3 (26.6-33.07)

Mchc-34.2 (31.5-35.7)

Rdw-12.7 (12.3-15.4)

Platelets-215 (155-379)

Neutrophils-43 (40-74)

Lymphs-42 (14-46)

Monocytes-10 (4-12)

Eos-4 (0-5)

Baso-1 (1-3)

METABOLIC PANEL

glucose-91 (65-99)

Creatine-.85 (.76-1.27)

Sodium serum-140 (134-144)

Potassium serum-4.0 (3.5-5.2)

Chloride serum-99 (97-108)

Carbon dioxide total-23 (19-28)

Clacium-9.8 (8.7-10.2)

Protein t-7.6 (6.0-8.5)

Bilirubin t- 1.7 (0.0 -1.2)

LIPID PANEL

Cholesterol t- 172 (100-189)

Hdl cholesterol-46(7-39)

TESTOSTERONE and FREE T

Total t- 420 (348-1197)

Free t-11.9 (9.3-26.5)

Lh-2.9 (1.7-8.6)

All of my other blood work came back fine. My doc is putting me on hcg 500iu e3d. I wish I would've contacted lowt. com earlier my experience so far with them has been awesome!

**bass** · 10-11-2013, 12:11 AM

post all your BW with ranges so we can see the whole picture.

**Megalodon6** · 10-11-2013, 03:34 AM

Ok will do.

**PJS19** · 10-11-2013, 08:30 AM

Two questions.

1. Im curious to your symptoms of low T. Im also 22, and was curious to see what other 22 year olds feel like with low T.

2. Why is he trying HCG ? Wouldnt that shut down your natural production more? LH 2.8 isnt awful. Wouldnt a clomid restart attempt be better? Whats the goal with HCG?

**bass** · 10-11-2013, 02:05 PM

based on low LH you could be secondary and hCG may help! give hCG a shot, I bet your test will go up in the mid 600s, but it may not be a permanent fix! remember your E2 will also go up, so if you bind then your doc needs to prescribe AI otherwise its a waste. did he check for E2 and SHBG?

**PJS19** · 10-11-2013, 02:24 PM

bass, wouldnt HCG shut him down further? So wouldnt he have to continue HCG monotherapy? Correct me if Im wrong.

**Megalodon6** · 10-11-2013, 02:34 PM

[QUOTE=PJS19;6699674]Two questions.

1. Im curious to your symptoms of low T. Im also 22, and was curious to see what other 22 year olds feel like with low T.

My symptoms of low t are low energy tired all the time weak erections low libido grouchy just all around I feel bad!

Idk about the hcg shutting me down my doc said do this for six weeks and we will check bw again and go from there

**bass** · 10-11-2013, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by PJS19

bass, wouldnt HCG shut him down further? So wouldnt he have to continue HCG monotherapy? Correct me if Im wrong.

no it won't, all its doing is mimicking LH so his testis can convert it to testosterone , his own testosterone. its kind of like a jump start if you will. at his age I'd try anything first and if all fails then you have the TRT option.

**Megalodon6** · 10-11-2013, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by bass

based on low LH you could be secondary and hCG may help! give hCG a shot, I bet your test will go up in the mid 600s, but it may not be a permanent fix! remember your E2 will also go up, so if you bind then your doc needs to prescribe AI otherwise its a waste. did he check for E2 and SHBG?

Doc didn't check e2 or SHBG I will ask for it next visit. I know Trt is last option but I've been fighting this for a little over a year and I'm getting sick of it I have no one to blame but myself but what I'm getting at is I'm almost ready to jump on trt!

**PJS19** · 10-11-2013, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by bass

no it won't, all its doing is mimicking LH so his testis can convert it to testosterone, his own testosterone. its kind of like a jump start if you will. at his age I'd try anything first and if all fails then you have the TRT option.

I understand it mimicks LH, but doesnt that surpress his natural LH function further? Im not saying Im write, Im more looking to be educated, because I might be looking at a similar situation myself. If he does HCG for say 6 weeks, is that supposed to kickstart his natural LH production? I understand that it will produce his own T.

**kelkel** · 10-11-2013, 03:01 PM

Nothing wrong with what the doc is doing. One step at a time.
Continued use of HCG will inhibit natural production. Think negative feedback loop: Hypothalamus-pituitary-testies. The body basically senses it does not need to produce it and slows/stops. Just like AAS.

**Megalodon6** · 10-11-2013, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Nothing wrong with what the doc is doing. One step at a time.
Continued use of HCG will inhibit natural production. Think negative feedback loop: Hypothalamus-pituitary-testies. The body basically senses it does not need to produce it and slows/stops. Just like AAS.

So basically taking hcg for a extended amount of time could possibly shut someone's test production down just like aas?

**kelkel** · 10-11-2013, 03:07 PM

It will stimulate production in the testies by mimicking LH. But it will impact LH production in the hypo / pit via the negative feedback loop mentioned. The hcg will continue test production so long as you're not primary hypogonadal.

**Megalodon6** · 10-11-2013, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

It will stimulate production in the testies by mimicking LH. But it will impact LH production in the hypo / pit via the negative feedback loop mentioned. The hcg will continue test production so long as you're not primary hypogonadal.

Ok this is good my goal is to not take anything so taking 500iu e3d is this possible.

**kelkel** · 10-11-2013, 03:26 PM

I'm sure that's why your doc is doing it. Patience. See what occurs.

**bass** · 10-11-2013, 03:26 PM

^^^ yes, his LH is pretty much shutdown anyways, that's why I wasn't worried about further shutdown.

**kelkel** · 10-11-2013, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by bass

^^^ yes, his LH is pretty much shutdown anyways, that's why I wasn't worried about further shutdown.

Yep. I know how ya think! LH should be much higher for his age, IMHO.

**PJS19** · 10-11-2013, 03:31 PM

Ok I see what you are saying. I have an appt next week, I might be looking at a similar protocol, as my LH is only 1.7 and Free T 5.9. So basically if you have low LH you dont care if you further surpress LH.

My next question is this. Megaladon. What is your long term plan after the 6 weeks. Say it bumps up your T. Do you plan to just stay on HCG or is the hope that it will kickstart LH in some way? I assume once you stop, youll sink back down to low T levels.

**Megalodon6** · 10-11-2013, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

I'm sure that's why your doc is doing it. Patience. See what occurs.

Okie dokie bud. Its been along time coming so I'm getting a lil jumpy

Originally Posted by bass

^^^ yes, his LH is pretty much shutdown anyways, that's why I wasn't worried about further shutdown.

Well if this is the case gimme a big ole bottle of test lolz I kid I kid

**Megalodon6** · 10-11-2013, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by PJS19

Ok I see what you are saying. I have an appt next week, I might be looking at a similar protocol, as my LH is only 1.7 and Free T 5.9. So basically if you have low LH you dont care if you further surpress LH.

My next question is this. Megaladon. What is your long term plan after the 6 weeks. Say it bumps up your T. Do you plan to just stay on HCG or is the hope that it will kickstart LH in some way? I assume once you stop, youll sink back down to low T levels.

My long term plan is to not take any meds. I'm hoping this will fix my problems and I go back to feeling like I did before my last cycle. I hope if I stop I will not sink back down to low t levels if that does happen the. I guess my only option would be trt :/

**PJS19** · 10-12-2013, 10:34 AM

I hope thats the case, but when you stop HCG after the 6 weeks, wouldnt you drop back down to your old levels, seeing your pituitary wont be sending a very good signal to the testes, via LH? So why would they stay up? Correct me if Im wrong

**Megalodon6** · 10-12-2013, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by PJS19

I hope thats the case, but when you stop HCG after the 6 weeks, wouldnt you drop back down to your old levels, seeing your pituitary wont be sending a very good signal to the testes, via LH? So why would they stay up? Correct me if Im wrong

Hope brah hope. I guess if they drop back down she will keep me on hcg mono or possibly trt, but hopefully they stick

**powerlifterty16** · 10-12-2013, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Megalodon6

So basically taking hcg for a extended amount of time could possibly shut someone's test production down just like aas?

mega, im getting bw on the 18th of enxt month and will be getting my lh tested while on the hcg ..so we should see what happens!
im thinking of running hcg for 3 months and then doing clomid and seeing what happens....might be what my body needs to reach higher levels.
idk though, might have to stay on hcg permanently

**Megalodon6** · 10-12-2013, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by powerlifterty16

mega, im getting bw on the 18th of enxt month and will be getting my lh tested while on the hcg ..so we should see what happens!
im thinking of running hcg for 3 months and then doing clomid and seeing what happens....might be what my body needs to reach higher levels.
idk though, might have to stay on hcg permanently

Good deal man. I'm curious to see what happens since we're in similar situations defiantly let me know what happens. Hope it works for ya

**powerlifterty16** · 10-12-2013, 12:39 PM

our situations are similar but not exact. I think you can restore your t if you raise your lh, but for me, it seems i need a lot of lh to get a good t level. My lh is aroung 4.5-6 without hcg but t is still on the lower side unless itake clomid to get my lh to 11 lol...so i dont think a restart will help unless i restart myself to the point that my body produces 11 lh lol.