Should I start a trt protocol? 19 yrs old

[jcroc23]

I'd like to start off by saying that I'll be the first one to admit that i screwed up badly when I decided to do a cycle 5 months ago. I was ripped off badly by a guy at my gym, and was sold either deca or a watered down test prop, because my T levels were 7 on a 300-1110 range when I got myself tested at the 4 week mark of the cycle. I stopped use immediately, and was instructed by my doctor to let my body recover naturally and that everything would be ok. No nolva, no clomid. Nothing. 4 months later (plenty of time to recover), I got my bloods taken and my T levels were at 416.

The thing is, is that although the cycle/lack of pct certainly could have prevented my levels from ever fully going back to how they were prior to the cycle, I think that my levels are unfortunately just naturally low.. because now I feel the exact same as I did before the cycle. Even if they are not naturally low, I don't think they're going to improve any more at this point.

When I went back to my doctor for a follow up appointment since I was concerned about my low T levels, she told me that since I was so young she would never recommend me any sort of TRT. So according to my doctor, I'm completely immune to any sort of health risks linked to low T because I'm "young", and I think that's a bad judgement call. She still thinks they're going to go up into the 800 range... and I know from my genetics (dad is on the lower range of the scale also) that it just isn't possible.

What do you guys suggest I do? I was thinking about going to an endocrinologist because I'm getting no-where with my current doctor, she is the most unreasonable lady I've ever encountered.


thanks

[Brett N]

It never hurts to get a second opinion. You are going to have a hard time finding someone to treat you with HRT. Maybe some kind of restart is possible.

With 19 years old, I think your current doctor has a reason to be unreasonable. You have made a very poor decision in the past and because of your maturity, you didn't take the time to find out what you were even putting in your body. I think you are very lucky that it wasn't something worse that you were injecting.

I am assuming you told the doctor why your testosterone was messed up? Did you reveal the whole truth about your steroid past to them already?

[jcroc23]

It never hurts to get a second opinion. You are going to have a hard time finding someone to treat you with HRT. Maybe some kind of restart is possible.

With 19 years old, I think your current doctor has a reason to be unreasonable. You have made a very poor decision in the past and because of your maturity, you didn't take the time to find out what you were even putting in your body. I think you are very lucky that it wasn't something worse that you were injecting.

I am assuming you told the doctor why your testosterone was messed up? Did you reveal the whole truth about your steroid past to them already?

I told her everything that happened. I realize I made a mistake, but my age does not render me immune from health risks involved with low T. Also, it's near impossible to get anywhere as far as bodybuilding goes with my levels this low. I keep a perfectly clean diet yet my body fat levels don't reflect this at all because of my low T. & What do you mean by restart?

[Brett N]

Some I have read, have done a restart by using HCG alone. Not sure how good the outcome is or if it really helps.

Honestly, you are 19 years old. I don't think you know how far you could have gone naturally. You also have no idea where your testosterone levels were before you made the attempt of using steroids .

I am not a big fan of telling doctors you did steroids but it is too late on that so no reason to dwell on it. At this point, I would either ask for a referral to a specialist for a second opinion or call an endo myself. Tell your doctor that you respect her opinion but you feel it would serve you best if you saw a specialist for a second opinion on the matter. There is nothing wrong with being concerned for your health.

[jcroc23]

Some I have read, have done a restart by using HCG alone. Not sure how good the outcome is or if it really helps.

Honestly, you are 19 years old. I don't think you know how far you could have gone naturally. You also have no idea where your testosterone levels were before you made the attempt of using steroids .

I am not a big fan of telling doctors you did steroids but it is too late on that so no reason to dwell on it. At this point, I would either ask for a referral to a specialist for a second opinion or call an endo myself. Tell your doctor that you respect her opinion but you feel it would serve you best if you saw a specialist for a second opinion on the matter. There is nothing wrong with being concerned for your health.

True. It jut sucks knowing that no matter how hard I train or diet, I cant make any progress because of my low T levels. She referred me to an endocrinologist, so I'll try and set up an appointment next week to get things sorted out. I have a friend that is taking hcg and clomid after being on trt for a few months and is trying to recover his natural levels. Could clomid possibly be of any benefit to me?

[jomamma007]

You could try a restart first with Clomid and Nolvadex first.
But if you're T is still low you need to find the causative factor.
4 months isn't that long consider you didn't pct. It can take up to a year for levels to recover. I'd wait another 2 months at least before even considering TRT.

If you do end up going on trt you need to rule out
Thyroid Issues
Sleep Apnea
Adrenal Fatigue
Pituitary Tumors
Testicle issues
before simply hopping on shots thinking you'll get buff. You seem to honestly care about the way you "feel" more then getting huge because of trt which you will not. This is a great thing, esecpailly at your age.

If you find the problem and fix it, you can avoid trt, which at your age would be ideal.
Good luck bud

Oh and you need a better doctor who will actually do the following tests and such.
Start with
• Total Testosterone
• Bioavailable testosterone (aka Free and Loosely Bound)
• Free Testosterone
• SHBG
• DHT (gel users especially pay attention to this)
• Estradiol (specify “sensitive” assay for males)
• LH
• FSH
• Prolactin
• Cortisol
• Thyroid Panel (complete)
• CBC
• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
• Lipid Panel
• PSA (age dependent)
• IGF-1, IGFBP-3 (if HGH therapy is being considered)
• Vitamin D

[Beethoven]

At this stage I would everything possible to steer clear of trt. I don't think one partial cycle would be enough to ruin your body.run the tests, maybe a re start and wait..... If it was Deca you will probably be ok in time.

[jcroc23]

You could try a restart first with Clomid and Nolvadex first.
But if you're T is still low you need to find the causative factor.
4 months isn't that long consider you didn't pct. It can take up to a year for levels to recover. I'd wait another 2 months at least before even considering TRT.

If you do end up going on trt you need to rule out
Thyroid Issues
Sleep Apnea
Adrenal Fatigue
Pituitary Tumors
Testicle issues
before simply hopping on shots thinking you'll get buff. You seem to honestly care about the way you "feel" more then getting huge because of trt which you will not. This is a great thing, esecpailly at your age.

If you find the problem and fix it, you can avoid trt, which at your age would be ideal.
Good luck bud

Oh and you need a better doctor who will actually do the following tests and such.
Start with
• Total Testosterone
• Bioavailable testosterone (aka Free and Loosely Bound)
• Free Testosterone
• SHBG
• DHT (gel users especially pay attention to this)
• Estradiol (specify “sensitive” assay for males)
• LH
• FSH
• Prolactin
• Cortisol
• Thyroid Panel (complete)
• CBC
• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
• Lipid Panel
• PSA (age dependent)
• IGF-1, IGFBP-3 (if HGH therapy is being considered)
• Vitamin D

Thanks for the info man! So if my estro, lh and all the listed above are in normal range, and my T is still low 2 months from now, would you agree that trt would be the best option? I feel fine, but I'm more concerned with health. Gaining a few lbs of muscle/dropping bf % off of trt would be a nice plus, but not my main concern.

[jomamma007]

Thanks for the info man! So if my estro, lh and all the listed above are in normal range, and my T is still low 2 months from now, would you agree that trt would be the best option? I feel fine, but I'm more concerned with health. Gaining a few lbs of muscle/dropping bf % off of trt would be a nice plus, but not my main concern.

If you feel fine why are you so worried? Because you saw you had low test and that's freaking you out?

You need to rule out at least the things I listed above, and find out what's causing your low T. Lets say you have a thyroid issue causing your low T. Well if you just hop on T, sure your test levels are going to go up but without addressing the thyroid you will still have the symptoms you did before.

19 is way too young for trt and should be avoided. You need to understand. A kid your age should not have levels that low. Meaning something is off with your body. It could just be that you still need time to recover from your cycle, but it could be something else.

416 isn't that bad considering you probably still aren't 100% hpta recovered from your cycle. Another few months of recovery combined with Vitamin D supplementation as you are probably deficient, good diet +workout and sleep could bring you up to 600. A great level for someone your age. Sure it isn't at the top of the range but the average for a 20 year old is 6-700.

If anything I'd take some clomid now to attempt to restart the system, although it's been 4 months. It couldn't hurt and will at least raise your levels while on it. Hopefully some vets can chime in,,,

[kelkel]

Very well said posts by Jomamma above.
Op, if it was actually deca , it has a very long metabolite that last far longer in your system than testosterone .
If you have BW in hand post it up with ranges please. If you don't, get it.
AVOID HCG as it is suppressive of your natural LH function.
A clomid - nolva restart would be prudent in a few more months if levels do not continue to rise.

[jcroc23]

Glad I listened to you guys. I got more bloodwork done, and the results were great. Even though it had only been 4 weeks since my last blood test, my total test rose to 505, my estrogen was 35, and free test was 80! Everything looked great. I'm expecting them to rise even more over the next few months, and i'm taking DAA, vitamin D and a natural AI (pes erase) to help out my levels even more. Thanks for the support fellas!

[MRNJ1992]

HRT at 19. No way. Way too young. Give your body another 4 months and get your blood work done again.

[kelkel]

Glad I listened to you guys. I got more bloodwork done, and the results were great. Even though it had only been 4 weeks since my last blood test, my total test rose to 505, my estrogen was 35, and free test was 80! Everything looked great. I'm expecting them to rise even more over the next few months, and i'm taking DAA, vitamin D and a natural AI (pes erase) to help out my levels even more. Thanks for the support fellas!

Outstanding jcroc!

[Hrgaland]

Very well said posts by Jomamma above.
Op, if it was actually deca , it has a very long metabolite that last far longer in your system than testosterone .
If you have BW in hand post it up with ranges please. If you don't, get it.
AVOID HCG as it is suppressive of your natural LH function.
A clomid - nolva restart would be prudent in a few more months if levels do not continue to rise.

And how much will you recommend someone with same situation for clomid - nolva restart ? Thanks,

[kelkel]

Many theories / opinions on it:

Per week:

Clomid: 100/50/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20

Some have issues with clomid dosed at 100 and will knock it back some.