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    zap427 is offline New Member
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    Help with the bloat

    57 yr old male here; after reading about T replacement, studying countless threads I was determine to take the plunge. Much to my surprise I live 32 miles from Doc John Crisler. Saw the doc long story short was on injectable cyp .5 ml once per week. For the first month, I felt like superman. In fact it was downright scary.

    Workouts were a breeze, previous weight and rep schemes were blown away. I had energy like never before. Then came the bounce, the body adjusted and the superman feeling was gone. My question, is the opening great feeling the result of my natural T production plus the injectable? Once the body adjusts and the testes shut off the T comes back down and that great feeling comes down with it?

    I will fast forward to present day to spare those kind enough to read. After several labs (most were not performed correctly, another story) I am on sub Q .2ml cyp twice per week, anastrozole .5 mg eod and daily HCG (10 mark on a 1cc syringe, sorry the measuring scheme i find a bit confusing).

    I have to say I feel better overall. I hesitate do only to the bloat. I still get the bloat gut and cannot seem to figure it out. Doctor Crisler tried lowering the cyp dose to .17 twice per week and it first the bloat was gone. Eventually, the body adjusted and the bloat came back even at the lower dose. The only way I can get positive results is during my weekly 24 hour fast.

    I confess a lack of knowledge even after reading a great deal on the subject of T replacement. I also confess to missing the feelings I had during the first month where I felt invincible.

    If anyone with similar experience has any guidance on reducing the bloat I would very grateful. My fear is this is just the way it is for my body and replacement T.

    Thank you for reading....

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    what was your E2? 0.5 anastrozole eod is extremely high!

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    Bloat is usually due to high E2 levels, although you take a higher than normal dose of arimidex .

    What were your e2 levels at on your last set of labs and how long ago was that? During that set of labs, were you bloated or not? Also, has anything changed since the last set of labs in question?

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    Thank you both,

    Last labs
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    I will note only "high or low" from the normal blood work and concentrate on estradiol and T

    RDW-SD H 47.0
    Platelet count L 139

    ESTRADIOL (17B) 25 pg/ml
    DHEA SULFATE H 428
    SEX HORMONE BIND GLB 38
    BIOAVAILABLE TEST 233.2
    TOTAL TES 819
    FREE TES 113.4
    SHBG LC/MS/MC 36
    ALBUMIN 4.5

    Bloated the whole time. One thing I did stumble across I ran out of HCG and that has decreased the bloat big time. I am trying my best to learn and return the initial feeling I had when I started the T

    Thank you

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    If you were producing natural test why even go on hrt? What was your starting number at?

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    Zap are you overweight at the moment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreadnok89 View Post
    If you were producing natural test why even go on hrt? What was your starting number at?
    I had all the symptoms of low T. My number I cannot recall without digging up the old labs but it was "low normal". The first month and a half, I felt freaking great, energy I did not have before, strength gains in the gym, workouts felt easy, then the sides started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Zap are you overweight at the moment?
    Yes, I am around 205 at 5'9" heaviest I have been in my life. I put on muscle without a doubt but not as lean as I would like for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zap427 View Post
    Yes, I am around 205 at 5'9" heaviest I have been in my life. I put on muscle without a doubt but not as lean as I would like for sure.

    Well soon as you start taking stuff your natural is stopped. But I agree with you as for having symptoms you should def do something

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreadnok89 View Post
    Well soon as you start taking stuff your natural is stopped. But I agree with you as for having symptoms you should def do something
    Yes, my totals were within normal but SHBG was high. I felt so damn good that first month or so then the darn side effects started... Certainly a complex subject and I am still thinking if it is worth it....

    Thanks

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