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    Some concerns....

    Hey guys, let me first of all say that I hope everyone had great holidays and didn't completely blow their diets...like I did !! lol

    Anyways, I went to see my GP for a yearly physical and brought along my BW that my TRT Doc ordered. MY GP knows that I'm on TRT, but once I showed him my test numbers, he got very concerned. My total Test is at 800 while my Free Test is 200, both numbers he think should be significantly lower (he is thinking around 400 for total Test).

    He brought up a study in the New England Journal of Medicine that was written a few weeks ago linking extended TRT use to cardiovascular disease as well as high cholesterol levels. He also mentioned Testicular cancer.

    He also compared the TRT "fad" to a similar "fad" 20-30 years ago involving womens hormone replacement/therapy, how they thought it was the correct thing to do, only to find out later just how bad it was.

    That was his whole point to me, how this is so new and that not enough studies have been done to really know the risk to benefit factor.

    TBH, I'm a little concerned. We all want to live happy, healthier lives, and do what we can through diets and supplements to help us along. No one wants to find out the hard way later....

    I take 75 mg of Cyp twice a week, .25 mg of Arimidex twice a week and HCG 250 IU'S twice a week as well- hardly large doses. I look and feel great, and my BW is pretty much dialed in.

    Any thought/comments are appreciated !!

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    The study your doctor's referring to was one of the worst I've ever seen. Share this link with him:

    ExcelMale.com Identifies Major Flaws in Recently Published Testosterone Study in Veterans

    Also, we have more than 80yrs of data revolving around testosterone . Why so many physicians ignore this I can't answer. Moreover, the amount of women undergoing HRT isn't decreasing, it's increasing. Methods have evolved from what they were but that doesn't mean they're decreasing the number of patients.

    Overall, regardless of what your numbers are, if you feel great, you're blood's not getting thick and you're in good cardiovascular health, there shouldn't be much to worry about.
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    Sounds like a typical GP. He is the business of treating sick people's symptoms. Proactive people, like us, who focus on healthy diet, exercise and balanced hormones don't have the health problems like others who are not proactive with their health. That concept seems to be foreign to most GP's and is intimidating to them.
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    Vinman,

    Here is a thread that was started shortly after the article came out. Show him the link and don't be surprised if your GP gets a little red in the face after reading it.

    http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...mi-stroke.html
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    I had a doc completely disregard low Test numbers (300 on a 200 to 1100 scale) and if I would have followed his advice, I would have never started TRT. That would have been tragic since the improvements from the protocol were better than anything I could have imagined.

    I completely agree that preventative/proactive health minded people like us are foreign to the majority of the medical community because they focus on "fixing" problems. Insurance companies are conditioned in the same way.
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    My philosophy is why do I feel better 1000 percent before starting? And why is all my blood work ten times better than before I started

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    Quote Originally Posted by BallSak View Post
    Sounds like a typical GP. He is the business of treating sick people's symptoms. Proactive people, like us, who focus on healthy diet, exercise and balanced hormones don't have the health problems like others who are not proactive with their health. That concept seems to be foreign to most GP's and is intimidating to them.
    Many physicians have no problem with people being proactive, but when it comes to TRT they do not see it as being proactive, they see it as damaging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalject View Post
    The study your doctor's referring to was one of the worst I've ever seen. Share this link with him:

    ExcelMale.com Identifies Major Flaws in Recently Published Testosterone Study in Veterans

    Also, we have more than 80yrs of data revolving around testosterone . Why so many physicians ignore this I can't answer. Moreover, the amount of women undergoing HRT isn't decreasing, it's increasing. Methods have evolved from what they were but that doesn't mean they're decreasing the number of patients.

    Overall, regardless of what your numbers are, if you feel great, you're blood's not getting thick and you're in good cardiovascular health, there shouldn't be much to worry about.
    Everything Metal said. Horrible study already debunked by top physicians. Scare mongering.


    Quote Originally Posted by Low Testosterone View Post
    Many physicians have no problem with people being proactive, but when it comes to TRT they do not see it as being proactive, they see it as damaging.
    Ridiculous isn't it! Seems they need to self educate a bit more. We all know they'll be on TRT themselves when their T is in the toilet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BallSak View Post
    Sounds like a typical GP. He is the business of treating sick people's symptoms. Proactive people, like us, who focus on healthy diet, exercise and balanced hormones don't have the health problems like others who are not proactive with their health. That concept seems to be foreign to most GP's and is intimidating to them.
    Well said! GP would not be in business if everyone was healthy. They prefer to prescribe a pill, then another pill to counteract the sides that pill gives you and on and on. It's kind of like your telling your doc i'm feeling best i have ever and he's telling you no your not. lol

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    Thanks for all the responses guys, I really appreciate it !!!

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