HGH and maintenance/anti aging use

**wizarddeath** · 01-30-2014, 11:09 AM

Just curious does anyone use HGH year round for, I guess, Anti Aging purposes while on TRT? Help sleep, less sore, more energy.

I am thinking about running small dose, such as 1 - 2 UI upon waking daily, and not sure if anyone else has. I am going to get my IGF tested prior to doing this, but just wondered if anyone noticed anything good out of this.

**testytim** · 01-30-2014, 01:55 PM

Ya i am on hgh.I am 58 years old.Been on trt for over 6 years and to tell you the truth IMO test is not the holy gale.. My numbers started out at 177 went on test. Never really felt any big changes.Did not have ED.I have been on doses as low as 30mgs e3d to 60 e3d.As we speak i am on 30mgs e3d..I seem to feel the best on low dose.So do get to the point HGH. Never really feeling all that great on test.I pulled the trigger on hgh. I do 1 unit a day.And i have been on it for over 6 months. Dont know your age but IMO this is the deal for old people.All i can say is for me its the answer.It did more for me then test ever did..I have a friend that is same age he feels the same way about it..SORRY TO SAY TEST IS OVERRATED IMO Numbers are numbers personally i think its all bullshit. Drs IMO are overdosing people on this shit... If i could have a chance to restart i would go off test in 1 minute Dont like being a prisoner to B/W every 3 months and it never really helped with my issues.

**xcraider37** · 01-30-2014, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by testytim

Ya i am on hgh.I am 58 years old.Been on trt for over 6 years and to tell you the truth IMO test is not the holy gale.. My numbers started out at 177 went on test. Never really felt any big changes.Did not have ED.I have been on doses as low as 30mgs e3d to 60 e3d.As we speak i am on 30mgs e3d..I seem to feel the best on low dose.So do get to the point HGH. Never really feeling all that great on test.I pulled the trigger on hgh. I do 1 unit a day.And i have been on it for over 6 months. Dont know your age but IMO this is the deal for old people.All i can say is for me its the answer.It did more for me then test ever did..I have a friend that is same age he feels the same way about it..SORRY TO SAY TEST IS OVERRATED IMO Numbers are numbers personally i think its all bullshit. Drs IMO are overdosing people on this shit... If i could have a chance to restart i would go off test in 1 minute Dont like being a prisoner to B/W every 3 months and it never really helped with my issues.

Maybe you have issues that are not testosterone related. I would agree it is not a magic pill, but disagree with most everything else you say. I would say many and most doctors under dose test. If you are a lifter and have low t you would have a different opinion , as when I was low I could barely get through my training session.

**testytim** · 01-30-2014, 07:40 PM

i would like to agree with you..My issues were as it appeared to be low T.At 177 it seems like a no brainier..needless to say it wasn't. Did patches, creams, .and now injections. I guess im just pissed off that i am on this for the rest of my life because of a missed diagnostics by the DRs. In fairness i had all the symptoms. I know this sounds crazy but i felt the best on patches but it killed my skin.I am just afraid that down the line this was just hype by pharma company's. Hope i am wrong. Hate to be a downer about T but it is my story

**wizarddeath** · 01-30-2014, 08:26 PM

Could it possibly be the combo making it much better?

You don't feel an issue shooting HGH daily? I know its subQ, but still every day shots seem like a lot. Does it really make a huge difference? My test levels are much higher than when I started @ 800ish compared to 200, but I still have some issues. Some days I am sluggish, I have a hard time sleeping on our brand new tempurpedic mattress, and still do have some "bed room" issues which Im not sure if its cause im over training or not. Even on a blast, I still wasn't a hound dog like I imagined I would be.

**kelkel** · 01-30-2014, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by testytim

Ya i am on hgh.I am 58 years old.Been on trt for over 6 years and to tell you the truth IMO test is not the holy gale.. My numbers started out at 177 went on test. Never really felt any big changes.Did not have ED.I have been on doses as low as 30mgs e3d to 60 e3d.As we speak i am on 30mgs e3d..I seem to feel the best on low dose.So do get to the point HGH. Never really feeling all that great on test.I pulled the trigger on hgh. I do 1 unit a day.And i have been on it for over 6 months. Dont know your age but IMO this is the deal for old people.All i can say is for me its the answer.It did more for me then test ever did..I have a friend that is same age he feels the same way about it..SORRY TO SAY TEST IS OVERRATED IMO Numbers are numbers personally i think its all bullshit. Drs IMO are overdosing people on this shit... If i could have a chance to restart i would go off test in 1 minute Dont like being a prisoner to B/W every 3 months and it never really helped with my issues.

Tim can you elaborate on exactly what it did for you please?

**testytim** · 01-31-2014, 11:33 PM

O k i will try to make this short and and to the point. Like i said i have been on test of some form for over 6 years. Seen many DRs,, one was the best in the business. I had all the symptoms of low T. And i mean all of them, i felt like shit. Small business owner burning the candle on both ends for years. So after over 6 years and really no results to speak of.So at 58 had my igf numbers checked and on a scale of 0-400 i was at 60.So talking with a top DR it was his idea to try it.He himself was on hgh as well.

The first week i went on it was like a light switch went on. Aside from the skin. nails. hair..The pains i had from sports and racing motorcycles for years were gone in short order.My workouts were like after i was done i felt i could do another session at the gym your recovery is unreal. I do a anti aging dose 1unit a day i have gone up to 1,5 the weight was just melting off, There is so many things that are just subtle .For me i feel like i am seeing life in H/D. I feel honestly 10 years younger.People say i look great. As i set here i am 6 foot 210 with a 15% B/F. I only workout 3 days a week. Look it up it magic the shit should be legal Side note my wife is on hgh also,, She is 50 years old people think shes 35 and woman half her age would die to have her body shes a smoking hot milf..

**kelkel** · 01-31-2014, 11:53 PM

Thanks for that Tim. I'm about to start myself.

**bringndaheat** · 02-01-2014, 12:44 AM

Tim I did tht protocol for two years but it's a 1+1=3. The HGH alone is not enough. Add a small dose of Deca to tht protocol and your body will feel twenty years younger. But I do agree fat melts off. Takes age off and you feel wonderful. Although I do get a little bloat.

**testytim** · 02-01-2014, 02:51 AM

bringndaheat yes i had some sides when i started.Ya the bloat thats about the worst of it. Had some GI issues to.The one thing i left out was HUNGER HUNGER HUNGER.You can eat a big meal And your hungery 1 hour later The greatest is you dont gain weight.If anyone is thinking about using hgh.Do your homework and make sure its the real deal.Just a FYI..I had enough for 2iu for 6 months..Dr said do 1 iu for 1 year instead..Shit i love this stiff i already got 2 mores boxs 126 iu kits setostim i am all in on this deal.I also do low dose test 60e3d

**Rida5d** · 02-01-2014, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by testytim

The first week i went on it was like a light switch went on. Aside from the skin. nails. hair..The pains i had from sports and racing motorcycles for years were gone in short order.

is it possible to feel HGH at 1 iu after a week? could be physiological?
i never had any experience but i ve seen a lot of BB at 4 iu and didnt feel the damn thing till the 4-6 months mark.

**MyteeJ** · 02-01-2014, 05:00 AM

I felt great at the 1.5 IU per day and I am looking to start again. As test was saying, I had similar improvements with feeling better from the old injuries I had and interestingly enough, when I stopped my protocol they slowly creeped back.

I go back and forth with taking test at .7 ml once a week. I was at 300 when I started though and my symptoms with low energy and focus were bad.

I think Heats 1+1=3 comment has merit and that's based on how I felt coupled with research.

It does feel like you are slave to these "supplements" at times and the $$ are a big investment. The return on this "investment" in terms of improved quality of life is the difference IMO.

@rida - I'd say I noticed a difference within a week on my protocol of GH. The BB's are a different story IMO. i don't know about GH for strength, muscle growth, or the effects the BB'ers are seeking. I feel that GH is most beneficial for me to cope with the arthritis I have and for recovery from the gym.

**j2048b** · 02-01-2014, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by bringndaheat

Tim I did tht protocol for two years but it's a 1+1=3. The HGH alone is not enough. Add a small dose of Deca to tht protocol and your body will feel twenty years younger. But I do agree fat melts off. Takes age off and you feel wonderful. Although I do get a little bloat.

how much deca we talking here? i have it thru my current clinic (not the sponsor here) and wonder how much anyone else is on per week, and for what length of time,

i have heard there are studies linking hgh, and deca to heart issues, as they harden valves and such, any merit to this? ill find the studies...

also what merit does cancer have in association to hgh usage? ive seen a bunch of guys say it make cancer very aggressive? any merit to that? as ive yet to actually see any studies linking these?

**testytim** · 02-01-2014, 01:48 PM

It kinda makes sense that if you had cancer it would make it more aggressive Thats without saying .But i dont have cancer.The info out there is a lot coming out of the BB world they are using crazy amounts so that info to me is not worth much. Serostim from my info is i have is the Cadillac of GH. You got to remember i am 58 years old. I dont make much GH as it is. You guys can take this info for what it is .My experience.

I also left out the best part for us old guys.. THE BEST PART IS THE SEX...I call it sex in a bottle.My wife and i on both on HGH and this is no shit.She cant keep her cloths on...SEX is off the hook on hgh..Honestly we have sex about 25-30 times a month all i can say is i will go down swingeing on this stuff..Its worked for me much more then TEST ever did for me...

And i must add one more thing i can tell the difference in from 1iu to 1.5 iu big time.. Not sure but a lot of people are not getting the real deal a lot of hgh comes out of china fake shit its peptides. If i took 4iu of this stuff id flip out.

**Rida5d** · 02-01-2014, 02:39 PM

Very informative test. Thank you.
In your experience, would 1 iu cause any glucose reaction ?
What about 2 iu.. Did u try it?
Do u take ur gh on morning?

**Ryanmcd** · 02-01-2014, 02:47 PM

Before I was even allowed to look at GHRP 6 or HGH I had to do a few tests from Crisler to make sure I was not prone to cancer and I think anyone who runs it should because it can kill you quick from what I understand. Also my IGF was over 420 so he said it would be a waste of money to even mess with it at this point.

If I was low I would do real HGH I think prob 1-2 IU's because I think it does help and keeps you young looking, I lucked out I guess with a good IGF #.

**testytim** · 02-01-2014, 03:19 PM

rida5d i do take it in the am when i get up and yes it does cause a spike in glucose..I never have checked it but that what i understand. Thats why i take when i get up. I dont eat for 1 hour after. Never been a eater in morning so it works for me. A cup of coffee im good.

Ryanmcd I did have my igf numbers they were at 60 on a scale of 0-400 thats the real reason to pull the trigger on hgh .How old are you??

If your igf numbers are 420 total waste..I really think the older the better when it comes to HGH.. Maybe thats why so little so does so much for me..Makes sense.. LIFES a crap shoot.. I will take my chances feeling good and young over the latter..

**Ryanmcd** · 02-01-2014, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by testytim

rida5d i do take it in the am when i get up and yes it does cause a spike in glucose..I never have checked it but that what i understand. Thats why i take when i get up. I dont eat for 1 hour after. Never been a eater in morning so it works for me. A cup of coffee im good.

Ryanmcd I did have my igf numbers they were at 60 on a scale of 0-400 thats the real reason to pull the trigger on hgh .How old are you??

If your igf numbers are 420 total waste..I really think the older the better when it comes to HGH.. Maybe thats why so little so does so much for me..Makes sense.. LIFES a crap shoot.. I will take my chances feeling good and young over the latter..

I am 38, also a high IGF will keep you alive long as Crisler asked about my family and most lived to late 90's early 100s so I guess the plus to running IGF in a normal range is it may help you life a longer better life. I keep getting it checked every year so if it starts to drop I have no problems starting it.

**j2048b** · 02-02-2014, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by Ryanmcd

Before I was even allowed to look at GHRP 6 or HGH I had to do a few tests from Crisler to make sure I was not prone to cancer and I think anyone who runs it should because it can kill you quick from what I understand. Also my IGF was over 420 so he said it would be a waste of money to even mess with it at this point. If I was low I would do real HGH I think prob 1-2 IU's because I think it does help and keeps you young looking, I lucked out I guess with a good IGF #.

Do u remember the cancer tests? Id like to know to cma!

**MyteeJ** · 02-02-2014, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by j2048b

Do u remember the cancer tests? Id like to know to cma!

I'll be keeping an eye on this as well re the pre-screen tests you had.

Ryan congrats on those IGF#'s. I needed GH to get in the 400 range at 40. Baseline was 224.

Test - When you run GH it's pinned in the am when you first wake up and you need 30 to 40 minutes before you eat any carbs. i used to keep the dose ready - prepared the night before so I didn't have to do too much the day of injection. If/when I take GH again I would probably get the whole week of doses prepared and in the fridge to make it easier in the am.

**Ryanmcd** · 02-02-2014, 10:47 AM

Here are the tests I ran so I am guessing it's the bottom 2 he wanted.

IGF I, LC/NS 432 (53-331 ng/mL) H
Z SCORE (MALE) 2.7 (-2.0 -+2.0 SD) H

INSUUN <2 «17 uIU/ml)
IGF BINDING PROTEIN 3 (IGFBP 3) 4.3 (3.4-7.0 mg/l)

**Ryanmcd** · 02-02-2014, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by MyteeJ

I'll be keeping an eye on this as well re the pre-screen tests you had.

Ryan congrats on those IGF#'s. I needed GH to get in the 400 range at 40. Baseline was 224.

Test - When you run GH it's pinned in the am when you first wake up and you need 30 to 40 minutes before you eat any carbs. i used to keep the dose ready - prepared the night before so I didn't have to do too much the day of injection. If/when I take GH again I would probably get the whole week of doses prepared and in the fridge to make it easier in the am.

To go from 2-400 how many IU's was that? Also how long did it take to see any effects? My doc said it takes a few months to get any effects but you keep it.

**bringndaheat** · 02-02-2014, 12:02 PM

As for my comment on the Deca . I'm adding it to my protocol at 150mg's a week. I think ths is a little aggressive but I've been going through some back issues. To me it's like taking your car to get lubed. The Deca lubes the whole body. It's truly a amazing product. As for HGH alone I would not waste the money. The sex drive you get from HGH is from the combo of the test. Of course I call HGH a facelift in a bottle. It's cheaper and has a better effect.

-Heat

**bartman314** · 02-04-2014, 04:33 PM

maybe this is a stupid question... how does ghrp2 or 6 compare with hgh? and what role does sermorelin play here?

**MyteeJ** · 02-08-2014, 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by Ryanmcd

To go from 2-400 how many IU's was that? Also how long did it take to see any effects? My doc said it takes a few months to get any effects but you keep it.

It was slightly over 1 month at 3 IU's and then dropped to 1.5. This was a part of a larger protocol too that included Test Cyp and GHRP 6 / Sermorelin. Since I started all the pharms at once, it was difficult to pinpoint what effects came from each.

I noticed strength increases weekly and had vascularity all over the place - even in my abs and mid section which was a first for me. The side effects of tingling hands and arms were really difficult. I do know that was from the GH. EVERY morning was borderline painful in both arms from the GH.

**MyteeJ** · 02-08-2014, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by bartman314

maybe this is a stupid question... how does ghrp2 or 6 compare with hgh? and what role does sermorelin play here?

So hard for me to say. There are scientific explanations available on here and you will find guys that are adamant about not "wasting" their money on GHRP.

IMO - they are both IGF boosters but GH is more effective. GH is also pricey. My thought at the moment, if you are pinning something everyday or even 5 on 2 off, why not use GH even at a lower dose instead of GHRP.

**VegasBody** · 02-08-2014, 09:52 AM

All I know that gh mess me up
Can't sleep,fingers are tingle even at 1 iu a day
I had to stop,just did not make me feel good I'm on test 200 a week and boy
As far as sexdrive and appearance within a week u look and feel different everything looks fuller, muscular on U but hgh does melt pound off of U for sure last year I was on for 4 months and took all the sides ... But does it worth it?