Considering switching from subQ to IM

[Rjay]

Is there any reason and or any of you who prefer SubQ over IM? Im considering switching to IM injections from subQ as the subQ injections leave some temporary lumps under my stomach. Also I plan on adding in HCG so there is only so much room on my stomach, I also am around 10% bodyfat so I feel like I might actually be going into the muscle anyways.

Which method do you guys use? Do those of you that go IM go once or twice/week?

[2Sox]

I do SQ. Lumps usually mean your injecting too fast. I go slow and don't have lumps anymore. With IM you get scarring. With SQ, this doesn't happen. SQ is slow release. IM is faster.

Too many holes? Load the hCG into the same syringe first and then follow with your T. All-in-one. It's highly unlikely you will ever inject into exactly the same spot twice. (Too much analyzing I think.)

Don't worry: If you don't have too much fat, you still have skin. Squeeze, lift, inject. It's really much easier than you realize.

[Rjay]

Some good points 2sox, you always seem here to answer I appreciate it. If im only doing 50mg at the moment and already getting lumps wont adding in the hcg make it worse? What if bloodwork shows I need to further increase my dose as well adding up to almost double with hcg, seems a lot to go under the skin? I have not been pinching the skin just injecting directly into the stomach should I change that starting next time?

[Rjay]

I just worked that out and if I inject E3D which is my current protocol and add hcg in the same syringe thats nearly half a cc which seems way to much to do at once

[2Sox]

I just worked that out and if I inject E3D which is my current protocol and add hcg in the same syringe thats nearly half a cc which seems way to much to do at once

Dilute hcg powder 2.5 ml water/5000 iu h cg. You'll get 25 iu per little line on a 1 cc syringe. Figure your dose from this.

50mg/week T will do nothing for you. Nothing. Starting dose is 100mg/week

[Lifted1]

I was having a bit of discomfort pinning T subq in my stomach so I started doing my T subq in my outer glute area...worked perfectly. Give it a try and see if it's any better.

Fwiw, I still do my HCG In my stomach the day before test so I don't have to worry about too much volume at once.

[Rjay]

2sox Im doing 50mg E3D haha. Lifted where exactly do you mean outer glute? What dose your protocol look like?

[2Sox]

2sox Im doing 50mg E3D haha. Lifted where exactly do you mean outer glute? What dose your protocol look like?

I stand corrected. Have you considered a daily protocol?

[Rjay]

Ya I have but if anything Id like to inject less frequently considering im going to be doing this for a loong time

[Lifted1]

same area that you would do an intramuscular injection (upper outer area of your butt cheek a few inches below your waistline). watch the im injection video ~> Steroid Injections - Steroid .com

I was doing 50mg T 250iu Hcg every 3.5 days, but I came back low so now Im doing 60mg T 350iu Hcg every 3.5 days. gonna retest in a few weeks to see where that takes me.

[Rjay]

So your doing where you would do an IM injection but using a smaller needle so you dont enter the muscle or are you doing IM now? I think im going to switch to 2x/week for convenience rather then E3D and have a protocol very similiar to yours, hows it working out for you?

[Lifted1]

yes doing it in the same location where you would do IM, but using a 27g 1/2" needle so its in the fat, not in the muscle. Its been working fine as far as comfort/ease, but now I'm trying to dial in the correct dosage that works for me.

[2Sox]

Ya I have but if anything Id like to inject less frequently considering im going to be doing this for a loong time

A member of this forum, loads his hCG and T into a couple dozen syringes and puts them in the fridge. In the morning, he takes one out, lets it reach room temperature and injects. Look at daily dosing like you look at taking your supplements in the morning. From my experience, it takes about the same length of time. Except, since I'm retired I have time to load my syringe and inject every morning while I'm drinking my tea and talking with my wife.

In my opinion, the benefits of daily dosing far outweigh the perceived inconvenience - which is really not an inconvenience at all, once you try it out and see for yourself. Also, it's really hard to forget to inject since you do it every day. If you travel, put a couple of syringes into a hard side eyeglass case and take it along with you. Unrefridgerated hCG really doesn't lose potency overnight.

[OingoBoingo]

Some good points 2sox, you always seem here to answer I appreciate it. If im only doing 50mg at the moment and already getting lumps wont adding in the hcg make it worse? What if bloodwork shows I need to further increase my dose as well adding up to almost double with hcg, seems a lot to go under the skin? I have not been pinching the skin just injecting directly into the stomach should I change that starting next time?

Injecting into the belly was a good place to learn how to inject, but I found that injecting subcutaneously into the thighs and buttocks to be much more effective.

BTW, when you mention 50mg, we don't know the concentration, so we don't know the load size.

[OingoBoingo]

I just worked that out and if I inject E3D which is my current protocol and add hcg in the same syringe thats nearly half a cc which seems way to much to do at once

0.5cc (0.5mL) is about the limit.

Injecting daily or every other day will reduce the load size if you're concerned about that.

[OingoBoingo]

Dilute hcg powder 2.5 ml water/5000 iu h cg. You'll get 25 iu per little line on a 1 cc syringe. Figure your dose from this.

50mg/week T will do nothing for you. Nothing. Starting dose is 100mg/week

Dr. Crisler's starts his guys at 70mg Testosterone per week (with hCG), and titrates plus or minus 10mg.

50mg may be fine. Everybody is different.

[OingoBoingo]

I was having a bit of discomfort pinning T subq in my stomach so I started doing my T subq in my outer glute area...worked perfectly. Give it a try and see if it's any better.

Fwiw, I still do my HCG In my stomach the day before test so I don't have to worry about too much volume at once.

Try the hCG in your thighs for a week, and see if you notice a difference.

[2Sox]

Dr. Crisler's starts his guys at 70mg Testosterone per week (with hCG ), and titrates plus or minus 10mg.

50mg may be fine. Everybody is different.

Yes, it is true that everyone is different. I should have added "IMO". However, I stand by my comment. And I welcome being proven wrong.

[OingoBoingo]

Ya I have but if anything Id like to inject less frequently considering im going to be doing this for a loong time

Injecting daily isn't so bad as the loads are much smaller. And it's easier not to forget if one is doing it every day.

Just make it part of the morning ritual.

Also check out the BD Ultra-Fine II, U-100 Insulin syringe. It has a 30 gauge needle that is only 5/16" long.

[OingoBoingo]

I do SQ. Lumps usually mean your injecting too fast. I go slow and don't have lumps anymore. With IM you get scarring. With SQ, this doesn't happen.

I agree with 2Sox on this.

When I first started injecting, I was doing it way too fast and would end up with itchy lumps.

I inject daily, my current load size is 26mL, and I take about 20 seconds to inject. Haven't had any problems.

[Beethoven]

Yes, it is true that everyone is different. I should have added "IMO". However, I stand by my comment. And I welcome being proven wrong.

I agree. 100 mg is about the right starting point. Haven't heard of too many people at 50 mg per week.

[Lifted1]

Try the hCG in your thighs for a week, and see if you notice a difference.

what area of thighs? what difference would i notice?

[Rjay]

Ive heard a couple people speak of the thighs being good, but same as lifted said what part of the thighs? And for buttocks do you do same spot as for IM?

[rplante7]

All kinds of videos on U-tube on IM and SQ injections. My preference is Test twice a week IM alternating glutes and biceps. HCG and other non oil based stuff SubQ in belly fat. For me SubQ Test pools a bit and causes minor irritation until it is absorbed

[2Sox]

Haven't heard of too many people at 50 mg per week.

Yep. I haven't heard of ANY people on 50mg/week.

[OingoBoingo]

what area of thighs? what difference would i notice?

I split my thighs into three zones; knee, mid, and hip. I pin the top and the outside of each zone. Thus I can pin 6 days without repeating an area. Don't hit the inside; too many blood vessels and stuff.

I noticed that the hCG hit me faster, and I got a better feeling out of it.

Read something on a bodybuilding forum about stubborn fat areas having less blood vessels. Maybe that's why I noticed it better in the thighs than in the belly.

[2Sox]

I split my thighs into three zones; knee, mid, and hip. I pin the top and the outside of each zone. Thus I can pin 6 days without repeating an area. Don't hit the inside; too many blood vessels and stuff.

I noticed that the hCG hit me faster, and I got a better feeling out of it.

Read something on a bodybuilding forum about stubborn fat areas having less blood vessels. Maybe that's why I noticed it better in the thighs than in the belly.

I'm curious. What indicators do you use to determine the hCG hits you faster? What is the specific "feeling" do you notice?

[OingoBoingo]

I'm curious. What indicators do you use to determine the hCG hits you faster? What is the specific "feeling" do you notice?

I noticed a feeling of well being.

I started injecting hCG a week or so before I started injecting Testosterone , and it was easy to notice the feeling.

It could take hours for the feeling to come if injecting in the belly, but in the thighs I'd feel it in about 30 minutes every time.