HCG only TRT help!

[thunderstruck90]

My wife and I are currently trying to conceive but I'm tired of having low T. After meeting with an endo followed by blood tests and an MRI, we found I had very high prolactin and a small adenoma on my pituitary gland. We now have my prolactin numbers normal by using Cabergoline.

My total T numbers did increase from about 280 to (TESTOSTERONE , TOTAL, LC/MS/MS 414).Howerver I’m still not feeling great. After discussion my low numbers with my endo he asked me what I’d like to do. I asked to be put on a regiment of Hcg /Test C/adex.

My question is that since the wife and I are trying to conceive if I try and use the Hcg at say 250iu twice weekly as a sole source to increase my T numbers and maybe help my LH and FSH for a few months what amount of adex should I start with? Would .25mg E3D be enough or should I try that EOD?

Age: 34
Weight: 198
Height: 6’1”
BodyFat: 9-11%

[ripped_82]

Most individuals do not take an AI if it's solely HCG you're taking to bump your Testosterone .

May I ask if you're Total Estrogen was high, resulting if you being prescribed an AI?

You may also want to consider having your doc bump your HCG to 350IU X 3/week since this is the only substance you're really taking to boost testosterone. 500IU is a good does if you're on TRT and want to keep the testes functional vs. the HCG to be the test booster

[thunderstruck90]

Thanks for the response. My E2 were currently normal but my research shows that HCG can increase E2 numbers is why I requested an AI. Your suggestion of 350IU X 3/week seems more along the lines of HCG monotherapy vs. the dosage I found for keeping everything normal at the TRT dosage.

[kelkel]

HCG mono can help improve your T but it will not help improve LH. It can/will help to maintain spermatogenesis though. Many guys on TRT / cycles have gotten their other halves pregnant due to the assumption that they can't due to exogenous T. There's no need to take an AI unless BW shows you need one, like Ripped mentioned.

[thunderstruck90]

Thanks for the response.

Thinking about going with 250IU x3/week to start. Also ordered some HCGen to help natural production of LH. Going to get an analysis/count done after this month if we haven't conceived. Will do some blood work after a month if this hasn't done anything for T levels will up the dosage to 350IU x3/week. If this dosage won't work I might go to 250ui 2/week and add in my prescribed 100mg Test C per week and just bank some of the boys if my numbers are ok.

I'm tired of have the T numbers of an 75 year old!

[kelkel]

Dosing can range pretty broadly depending on the doctor. Always best to start low and titrate up based on BW. Pay close attention to your E2 as well. HCGen will not mitigate the suppressive effect HCG has on your LH over time.

[thunderstruck90]

It was my understanding from reading studies that the negative effort of HCG on LH production does not happen at lower dosages even over a longer time period. I thought it was dosages over 1000IU multiple times a week over a long duration that could have a downturn effort on your LH?

[kelkel]

Post that study. I'd like to see it. And yes, there are degrees to suppression that would be dose and individual metabolism dependent. But there's a reason why experts in the industry such as Scally, Crisler, Vergal, Shippen, etc would tell you not to combine the two. They're simply competing against the other.

[thunderstruck90]

Trying to find that study for you, I read SO many but didn't save any of them. When you say experts in the industry such as Scally, Crisler, Vergal, Shippen, etc would tell you not to combine the two, what two are you speaking of? HCGen from N2BM and HCG (script), or HCG and Test C?

Thanks!