High hemocratit and BP

[Machdiesel]

Have a question about donating blood and hemocratit and BP. Before TRT hemo was 44 and BP perfect, now it's 50 and slightly elevated BP. My question is how will donating blood effect my BP. Is it a short term fix ,
Meaning it'll lower for a day or 2 then rise again , or would a donation every 3 months keep it down? I understand it will always rise again as long as I'm on test, just curious how Long it will keep it down .

[Bonaparte]

Depends on how fast your body replaces the lost RBCs. It takes a few weeks/months.

[Lifted1]

I donated blood yesterday and my bp was slightly elevated 130/80. My Hemoglobin was 17.2 so Hematocrit was 51.2 and I was 44.8 2 months ago. I plan on donating every 2 months to keep everything in check.

[nyjetsfan]

Have a question about donating blood and hemocratit and BP. Before TRT hemo was 44 and BP perfect, now it's 50 and slightly elevated BP. My question is how will donating blood effect my BP. Is it a short term fix , Meaning it'll lower for a day or 2 then rise again , or would a donation every 3 months keep it down? I understand it will always rise again as long as I'm on test, just curious how Long it will keep it down .

from my experience once I get my sleep apnea in order (cpap), BP lowered and hemo also didn't rise- as much. I still donate, just not as often. Make sure you don't have apnea. It wrecks havoc on a lot of stuff. My 2 cents.

[Machdiesel]

I donated blood yesterday and my bp was slightly elevated 130/80. My Hemoglobin was 17.2 so Hematocrit was 51.2 and I was 44.8 2 months ago. I plan on donating every 2 months to keep everything in check.

Red Cross website says you can only donate every 84 days, so hopefully 4x a year will do the trick

[Lifted1]

bloodsource is every 2 months for whole blood

[Beethoven]

Either that or get a script for theraputic phlebotomies. You can do that every month if needed.

[Machdiesel]

I'll see how every 3 months goes, would like to Keep my doc out of it ifpossible. Don't need to give him a reason to lower dose or cut me off. Went to give today after a workout (and 300mg of caffeine) and got turned away because heart rate was over 100(104). Took it myself 30 minhtes later and 88, so prob just nerves but I'll go with no caffeine next time. BP was 134/90

[Beethoven]

I'll see how every 3 months goes, would like to Keep my doc out of it ifpossible. Don't need to give him a reason to lower dose or cut me off. Went to give today after a workout (and 300mg of caffeine) and got turned away because heart rate was over 100(104). Took it myself 30 minhtes later and 88, so prob just nerves but I'll go with no caffeine next time. BP was 134/90

I would like to keep him out of it but if I wait three months it's too late. My hematocrit rises very quickly.

[Machdiesel]

Would cialis 5mg 2x a day help reduce BP

[jasondd1]

red cross is every 56 days for regular donations and double reds i think is the one that is 84 days

[2iron]

Would cialis 5mg 2x a day help reduce BP

5mg every day has worked for me, I also donate approx every 8 weeks weather I need to or not.

[Bonaparte]

What you need to understand is that managing your BP and managing your HCT are 2 different things.
Hematocrit must be kept in check (ideally 45%) to prevent blood clots and other symptoms of polycythemia (including tachycardia and hypertension).

BP always needs to be kept in check, regardless of what your hematocrit is.

So first make sure that your hematocrit is in range, then medicate the BP as needed (since there are FAR more factors involved in BP than just blood viscosity).

[Lifted1]

Thanks for clarifying B. I figured elevated crit would cause a slight bump in blood pressure, but I will buy a larger cuff to fit my arm so I can monitor bp at home.

[Mr.BB]

What you need to understand is that managing your BP and managing your HCT are 2 different things.
Hematocrit must be kept in check (ideally 45%) to prevent blood clots and other symptoms of polycythemia (including tachycardia and hypertension).

BP always needs to be kept in check, regardless of what your hematocrit is.

So first make sure that your hematocrit is in range, then medicate the BP as needed (since there are FAR more factors involved in BP than just blood viscosity).

^^^^ this. Perfectly explained.

[Machdiesel]

Ok so I know I get high BP on higher dosages of test. Right now lowering dose and donating , see if it lowers over the next few weeks. My main question is what should I do if I decide to blast on 500mg a week for 12 weeks. Medicate during cycle?? What should I use ? Obviusly not blastkng till I get my Trt BP under control

[Bonaparte]

Try an ACE inhibitor first. Lisinopril is the most common.

[Machdiesel]

Do research chem sites sell it or doc script only ? Also does it have an immediate response? So start tasking it day 1 of cycle and prob take it 2 weeks after last injection ?

[Beethoven]

Do research chem sites sell it or doc script only ? Also does it have an immediate response? So start tasking it day 1 of cycle and prob take it 2 weeks after last injection ?

There are some Canadian pharmacies that will sell without script. Pm me if you need one.

[Bonaparte]

There are some Canadian pharmacies that will sell without script. Pm me if you need one.

Indian pharmacies are the best option.

[Beethoven]

Indian pharmacies are the best option.

Do you have a trusted one you could pass on?

[Chicagotarsier]

Either that or get a script for theraputic phlebotomies. You can do that every month if needed.

Under Dr care it can be weekly depending on what was said before about RBC replacement. I have donated 700 cc weekly for going on a month now trying to get my HCT down. Cannot get it under 48.

The Doctor told me this tidbit of information. Do not take a supplement with Iron. Iron is required to produce RBC. When your Iron goes low (anaemic) RBC production will reduce drastically. The human body can only absorb Iron so fast so eventually you will go anemic if you stay on test.

Just 2 cents from what I am currently dealing with on this topic. I do not know how you guys get away with just 500 cc Eo month.

Also Drs in general do not look at HCT they look at haemoglobin. Haemoglobin x 3 = ~ HCT. And for some reason they really do not care about RBC level.... Hemotologists are a subsection of cancer treatment (popular issue). The one I see is in the top hospital here in Beijing (western hospital) and has no fear on taking blood. The eastern hospitals here will not take blood from you if your life depended on it.

As far as blood pressure there are two items that are popular...as Bone said the ace inhibitor and the second is a beta blocker. Both are OTC here in China. Rentec for the ace and Chingchongchang (lol) for the beta blocker. Have to take morning and evening due to half life of the meds. Stuff is darn cheap.

Also on BP ..your E2 can impact it in a big way. Keep your E2 in check to avoid hypertension caused by the elevated level. On my good days with E2 in check and meds +700 test a week...120/80. On bad days with E2 a little high..155/90. The more sensitive you are to hypertension the more you have to deal with these issues 24/7

[Beethoven]

700 test a week????

[Bonaparte]

700 test a week????

No, he is having 700cc of blood pulled weekly...which is pretty incredible.

And Chicago, please tell me you're not supplementing with vitamin B-12, because that is also needed for RBC production. Those with pernicious anemia are prescribed B-12 injections.

[Machdiesel]

Bonaparte what would your on cycle protocol be for lisinopril . Dosage? Start a few days before first injection untill 2 weeks post cycle? No pct just back on trt