My TRT protocol.

**Simon1972** · 12-12-2014, 03:55 AM

Hi Guys, after a few years i have happy news, i found a dr that knows his stuff and i was fortunate to sit with him for 1.5 hrs as we went thru a whole raft of explanations and discussion about my results.

The upshot of it is this protocol ,that he wants me to follow.

T-Gel 150mg/ml - 1 ml, once daily to skin- morning
Oxandrolone (anavar ) 20mg- 1 tab , 2 x daily - morning and night
CJC1295, once daily, 2000mcg/ml, 0.1ml daily night (2 months only) to increase IGF-1 levels

keen on hearing your opinions on this protocol-

**bullshark99** · 12-12-2014, 04:58 AM

Happy for you but just curious, how did you pull off the Anavar ? What is his/her medical reasoning? Don't get me wrong, wish mine did.

**Iceberg** · 12-12-2014, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by bullshark99

Happy for you but just curious, how did you pull off the Anavar? What is his/her medical reasoning? Don't get me wrong, wish mine did.

Same here

**Simon1972** · 12-12-2014, 05:23 AM

Not sure of the reasoning. Could be to treat my early stage osteoporosis.

**clarky.** · 12-12-2014, 09:41 AM

150mg/ml gel ? And daily ?? Is that a typo ??

**Simon1972** · 12-12-2014, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by clarky.

150mg/ml gel ? And daily ?? Is that a typo ??

Nope! That's what the label says.
Androgel is 50 mg per day. Mine is 150 mg /day. I'm aiming for upper range test levels

**clarky.** · 12-12-2014, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Simon1972

Nope! That's what the label says.

That's alot of test daily most guys don't even use that a wk. Hope it goes well.for you simon.

**SHBG** · 12-12-2014, 03:02 PM

sounds intresting. Originaly oxandrolone was given to anorectic people if my memory isnt failing.

good luck with ur treat'.
Think u can share a picture of the pharmacutical oxand with us?

**kelkel** · 12-12-2014, 05:08 PM

Simon I'm assuming this is a compounded gel? Is this a normal doc or a doc in a clinic?

**Simon1972** · 12-12-2014, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Simon I'm assuming this is a compounded gel? Is this a normal doc or a doc in a clinic?

Thanks kel, yes its compounded cream. Dr is from an anti aging clinic.
The CJC I was told was a 2 month course to treat low igf1 levels. The anavar was a last minute inclusion so I'm not sure why, I assume due to osteopenia.???

**kelkel** · 12-12-2014, 08:51 PM

How are your IGF1 levels now?

**Lifted1** · 12-12-2014, 09:19 PM

thats not a very complete trt protocol since you're missing Hcg .

**Simon1972** · 12-12-2014, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

How are your IGF1 levels now?

IGF-1, 18 (13-35)
IGFB3, 144 (115-240)
TSH 2.04 (0.5-5.0)
VIT d 80 (50-250)
FOLATE 27.5 (>7.0)
TOTAL B12 364 (200-700)
PSA 1.44 (0.25-2.2) MEAN AVERAGE IS 0.8 FOR AGE-
HOMOCYSTEINE 5 (6-15)
CHOLESTEROL 4.1 (3.5-5.5)
TRIG 1.0 (<1.5)
HDL 1.16 (>1.00)
LDL 2.5 (<3.5)
LDLC/HDLC 2.2 (<4.0)
CHOL/HDLC 3.5 (<4.5)
GLUCOSE FASTING 5.3 (3.6-6.0)

OESTRADIOL 56 (<160)
TEST 14.5 (9.9-27.8)
FREE T 266 (170-670)
SHBG 40 (17-56)
DHEA 5.4 (2.4-15.0)
these are my results before treatment- will be getting more bloods in 3 months.

**Simon1972** · 12-12-2014, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

How are your IGF1 levels now?

IGF-1, 18 (13-35)
IGFB3, 144 (115-240)
TSH 2.04 (0.5-5.0)
VIT d 80 (50-250)
FOLATE 27.5 (>7.0)
TOTAL B12 364 (200-700)
PSA 1.44 (0.25-2.2) MEAN AVERAGE IS 0.8 FOR AGE-
HOMOCYSTEINE 5 (6-15)
CHOLESTEROL 4.1 (3.5-5.5)
TRIG 1.0 (<1.5)
HDL 1.16 (>1.00)
LDL 2.5 (<3.5)
LDLC/HDLC 2.2 (<4.0)
CHOL/HDLC 3.5 (<4.5)
GLUCOSE FASTING 5.3 (3.6-6.0)

OESTRADIOL 56 (<160)
TEST 14.5 (9.9-27.8)
FREE T 266 (170-670)
SHBG 40 (17-56)
DHEA 5.4 (2.4-15.0)
these are my results before treatment- will be getting more bloods in 3 months.

at this stage i didnt approach hcg as i was glad to finally get what i was given and didnt want to push to hard- i can bring this up at the next review to streamline my protocol.

Today was day one- 1 ml/150mcg cream and 1 anavar 20 mg.

obviously feel no difference yet, maybe as slight calmness- apart from mid afternoon sleepiness which has been normal for me lately- i feel-at ease more than normal. ( placebo or confirmation bias)

**kelkel** · 12-12-2014, 10:39 PM

Keep this going if you don't mind. Like to know how you make out on this regimen.

**SHBG** · 12-13-2014, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by SHBG

sounds intresting. Originaly oxandrolone was given to anorectic people if my memory isnt failing.

good luck with ur treat'.
Think u can share a picture of the pharmacutical oxand with us?

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**Simon1972** · 12-13-2014, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by SHBG

sounds intresting. Originaly oxandrolone was given to anorectic people if my memory isnt failing.

good luck with ur treat'.
Think u can share a picture of the pharmacutical oxand with us?

I can, but its from a compounding pharmacy. No markings on the caspsule. Made to order.

**sparverius** · 12-13-2014, 10:01 PM

You only absorb a small percentage of the T in topical gel, something like 10%. I don't remember the exact number. If it's 10% that's be about 105mg/week.

**Simon1972** · 12-14-2014, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by sparverius

You only absorb a small percentage of the T in topical gel, something like 10%. I don't remember the exact number. If it's 10% that's be about 105mg/week.

Yeah your right....sounds low doesn't it? What T level would i expect to reach based on this cream ?

**Simon1972** · 12-26-2014, 03:18 PM

#########################2 week update.#############

OK. After 2 weeks this is my experience. Feeling hardly any effects of the trt.

On 150 mg per day transdermal, applied to forearms every morning.
5000iu of d3 , 20 mg of anavar morning and night.
Waking up tired constantly every morning. Feeling generally OK thru out the day , slightly more cocky than usual after application. So it is working but the morning tiredness is greater than prior to trt. Also experienced nipple hardness which I took anastrozole for 3 days to control. Seems to have gone now.

Thinking of splitting my test cream to half dose, twice a day so I can get the benefit of night time recovery ( hence why I currently feel tired in the am???)

Has anyone gone down the two application route before?

**Chauffeur** · 12-26-2014, 03:41 PM

You might not be feeling well because of the Anastrozole. That stuff is notorious for making guys feel like shit if not properly dosed, and you may not even need it.

Nipple hardness isn't a common sign that your E2 is high. My nipples became very hard and I had some odd sensations once I began treatment, but my E2 is very low.

Or you just may be one of the many guys who don't respond well to transdermals. I'd give it some more time, and bloodwork, before making that determination though.

**Simon1972** · 12-27-2014, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by Chauffeur

You might not be feeling well because of the Anastrozole. That stuff is notorious for making guys feel like shit if not properly dosed, and you may not even need it.

Nipple hardness isn't a common sign that your E2 is high. My nipples became very hard and I had some odd sensations once I began treatment, but my E2 is very low.

Or you just may be one of the many guys who don't respond well to transdermals. I'd give it some more time, and bloodwork, before making that determination though.

Thanks Chaf, i only took anastrozole this week , and feeling shit way before that. so im sure that not the reason.

i have decided to split my dose today and see how i go over the next few days- giving me less peak testosterone at any given moment- limiting E2 levels- i will also keep an eye on the nipple sensation see if it returns / keeps at bay with my new application regime.

**Simon1972** · 01-09-2015, 06:56 PM

#####1 month update#####

still feeling tired at times- mornings seem to be a struggle but ok once i get up- no morning wood yet which is dissapointing- although random half-bars occurring during day after cream has been applied- makes sense as my test levels would be lowest point , also noticed skin is getting oily which is a sign it is in my system.

after a month im noticing my hunger levels dropping and metabolism increasing resulting in a cutting of fat- i havent measured it, but the misses has confirmed i look trimmer than usual- telltale skin folds around my pecs have diminished- and im feeling as though my skin feels tighter.

weight increased around 1kg- havent been going to gym- just the occasional pullup bar- push up etc

**Metalject** · 01-09-2015, 10:27 PM

I wouldn't worry too much about gauging the effectiveness of your TRT by your morning wood...that's not a good indicator and doesn't mean much. Morning erections are blood flow related more so than anything else. I've rarely in my life had consistent morning erections. I've yet to have any ED troubles in my life, my test levels are good but still morning wood normally doesn't exist. All that matters is the ability to get it up when you need/want to.

More importantly, two things - one month isn't a lot of time. Many tend to expect a lot in one month of TRT but that's rarely going to be the case. Patience, consistency and fine tuning are all important. Secondly, you haven't mentioned anything about blood work since your original starting point. Probably a good idea to get some blood work done sometime between now and the next few weeks. Generally 5-8wks into TRT is a good place to check things out IMO.

Lastly, I'm curious as to why your doctor RX'd you oxandrolone too. In a 1.5hr meeting, which is ridiculously long, I'm surprised he didn't give a reason.

**Simon1972** · 01-09-2015, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by Metalject

I wouldn't worry too much about gauging the effectiveness of your TRT by your morning wood...that's not a good indicator and doesn't mean much. Morning erections are blood flow related more so than anything else. I've rarely in my life had consistent morning erections. I've yet to have any ED troubles in my life, my test levels are good but still morning wood normally doesn't exist. All that matters is the ability to get it up when you need/want to.

More importantly, two things - one month isn't a lot of time. Many tend to expect a lot in one month of TRT but that's rarely going to be the case. Patience, consistency and fine tuning are all important. Secondly, you haven't mentioned anything about blood work since your original starting point. Probably a good idea to get some blood work done sometime between now and the next few weeks. Generally 5-8wks into TRT is a good place to check things out IMO.

Lastly, I'm curious as to why your doctor RX'd you oxandrolone too. In a 1.5hr meeting, which is ridiculously long, I'm surprised he didn't give a reason.

he wasnt going to at first and honestly i dont know why (last minute decision) - but i didnt question him as i was happy with the fact after so many years i was getting anything , and i honestly thought i had won the lottery . bloodwork will be conducted at 2 months and a follow up apointment at 3 months. only 1 month has passed so far.