Venturing into TRT (help)

**ridedivefx** · 02-09-2015, 03:55 PM

So I have finally coming to a conclusion after tons of reading of going with TRT in the near future

25mg EOD Test Prop (87.5mg/week) will maintain for a month or 2 and increase to 30mg (105mg/week) if needed.
100iu HCG EOD (350iu/week) in the same pin as Prop. Strictly to maintain size and fertility.

BW after 8 weeks to check progress. My aim is to have levels of 800-900 of TT and my marker will be by how I feel and libido (monitoring E2, Free test, LH, FSH etc)

BUT if I want to switch from Prop EOD to Test E EOD - how will i do this transition? Will there be some sort of transition sorta like kick starting a regular cycle where you inject both and phase out prop?

**OingoBoingo** · 02-10-2015, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by ridedivefx

Just cause of quick in and out if things are not right for what ever reason, less bloat and I personally feel better on prop than testE. I know test is test but i know its a different feeling. I was going to go with testC with E3D when OB mentioned he does EOD/ED pins with TestE and to me if its ED or EOD why not prop.

You need to do a lot more research.

Bloat. You know, fluid retention is a common symptom of high E2.

And what is the number one thing you should remember about E2? E2 follows Testosterone .

It's a pretty safe bet when you were experimenting with E and P, the doses used for E were larger to take advantage of the longer ester. And the larger dose caused some E2 problems for you. Not too difficult to understand.

Mg for mg, E or C will not cause you to bloat any more than P. (Actually, if you get down to the point of counting carbon links, you might be surprised to learn that P could potentially cause more pompems for you, mg for mg.) And if using P, you'll lose the advantage of the longer ester.

**OingoBoingo** · 02-10-2015, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

And why start with ED or EOD and over-complicate things when you simply may not need to. Not saying anything's wrong with it but to start off a protocol with daily injections, hell no.

There's just so much less drama involved with tiny loads done SQ daily. Obviously.

I think that's why guys that inject weekly or twice weekly balk at the idea. If one is injecting half of my weekly amount twice weekly, each of their injections is 3.5 times the size of my daily injection. That's a big difference.

**OingoBoingo** · 02-10-2015, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by ridedivefx

So I have finally coming to a conclusion after tons of reading of going with TRT in the near future

25mg EOD Test Prop (87.5mg/week) will maintain for a month or 2 and increase to 30mg (105mg/week) if needed.
100iu HCG EOD (350iu/week) in the same pin as Prop. Strictly to maintain size and fertility.

BW after 8 weeks to check progress. My aim is to have levels of 800-900 of TT and my marker will be by how I feel and libido (monitoring E2, Free test, LH, FSH etc)

BUT if I want to switch from Prop EOD to Test E EOD - how will i do this transition? Will there be some sort of transition sorta like kick starting a regular cycle where you inject both and phase out prop?

You really need to do more research.

**ridedivefx** · 02-10-2015, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by OingoBoingo

You really need to do more research.

Am confused - the proposal I put is along the lines you and Dr. Crisler and Allthingmale and excelmale etc after reading many articles and advise over a number of forums. Apart from my personal preference of prop vs testE - I understand the bloat is from estrogen conversion of test and not the ester and the need to keep that in check, is why the smaller more frequent doses and not the large weekly spikes is intended. I am starting at a dose less than 100mg/week and is much easier to build up then to have sides and go down. This is again following Dr. Crisler and Dr. Gordon recommendation of starting doses to 70mg +/-.

HCG protocal might be questionable as most say 250iu twice/week, again along the lines of your comments i am doing more frequent smaller doses. You can question the 350iu/week dosage but I don't understand your comment on more research unless I am totally off base.

**kelkel** · 02-10-2015, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by OingoBoingo

There's just so much less drama involved with tiny loads done SQ daily. Obviously.

I think that's why guys that inject weekly or twice weekly balk at the idea. If one is injecting half of my weekly amount twice weekly, each of their injections is 3.5 times the size of my daily injection. That's a big difference.

Oh I can see both sides of it and have run protocol's that involve daily dosing. Personally, it's just nice (for me) to have days where I don't have to worry about anything. That said, if I had to do it to help with control I'd be all over it.