TRT and Tren

[KJ63]

Ive been on TRT for about a year. 1ML /200mg per week
I do 100mg every 3.5 days blood work all good except E2 a bit high because the medication really F***s me up... Dex sucks!!!!!
Feel great even gained a little muscle, I'm 51 and in better shape than all my friends and some 30 year olds lol However, I would like to gain a few more pounds and cut a little. Would adding tren for a while help? any suggestions?

[KJ63]

Not a great pic but that's my physique.. little shy about pics and not wearing a shirt.. lol

[tectime]

Good job so far man ! Now you should post this over on the dark side of the forum the anabolic q+a but brother you're not ready for tren . Tren is not for the aver. Gym rat or even the more seasoned compound veteran. Come over and read and research there's all kinds of things you can find out about if your serious about this lifestyle.

[Far from massive]

Yes Tren would help with gains and fat cutting....but it would likely add a host of new problems.

Taking it (Tren) with elevated E2 would make you a candidate for prolactin sides, and Tren almost always causes high BP which at 51 is often a problem already.

I know this is not what you want to hear but most everyone can improve their diet.

I am sure you know it but just incase conversion of Test to estrogen takes place to a much greater degree in those with high bodyfat. So a spot on diet would likely greatly reduce your E2, then you could either simply do a blast of test (up you dosage to say 400mg a wk for 8 wks then return to normal. This would cause you to dramatically increase your gains with a lot less chance of sides than adding Tren.

PS that's me at 58 in my avatar, the only thing that ever helped me get rid of my gut was diet, I had tried Tren at 56 and although it made me stronger it cost me a job due to sides and my BP was way out of wack for a while after I quit.

[zempey]

You should really consider bringing down your e2 if it is high, this will lean you out a bit too. I can see in your pic some mild gyno, get that e2 down to where it should be and dial in your diet before you look into something like tren , it is a monster.

[Far from massive]

With all due respect, to zempy, I would not say conclusively that you either do or do not have true gyno from looking at the picture. Many males in there mid 40s on develop fat on their breasts and it takes a looong time dieting to get it to leave them.

This is very different from true gyno where there is involvement of the glands and hard lumps around the nipple. The only reason I bring this up is that I developed this (fat in the breast area) in my late 40s early 50s and when I came to this board I had already taken Tren and several members told me I had gyno. At that point I had no insurance so medical treatment was not an option and I was so discouraged I almost quit lifting and posting figuring what the Fvk if I am always going to have tits what difference does it make, well once I got down to 12% the fat deposits all but disappeared.

[zempey]

The only reason I mentioned gyno is the shape of the "fat" off to the side of the nip and the fact he said he had high e2. I have a serious case of gyno and have been very prone and the shape off the side of the nip is identical to mine before it blew up. I should have worded it different to say it looked like it could be gyno, my bad. I got down to 10% this summer and had the slight side fat/tissue in that shape even though I was lean.

[qscgugcsq]

great advised you had here.

tren does greatly elevate bp and if your E2 is a bit elevated trouble can arise fast.

A testosterone blast would be great and if you want adding masteron could also help lean out and control E2 a bit more.

or simply add var for a few weeks.

their is many possibility But for tgem to work you need to get a diet dialed in.

good luck
and btw thats a very respectable physic for your age. there is no reason for you to be anxious about it. Good job!

[lovbyts]

Have you done a blast yet? I would not jump on tren to quickly. Even though you have been taking test for about a year (trt) I would recommend doing a test only blast at least once or twice before adding any other compounds. One of my best cycles was after I had been on TRT for about a year like you and then did a blast.

It's always tempting and makes sense logically to add another compound but logic and reality dont always work that way.

[KJ63]

A small one 400 mg for 8 weeks and ate good but didn't notice much
I'm having a hard time with my e2 because the AI really mess with me..Palpitations, anxiety. lump in my throat. So I can take a little per week but not whats recommenced. Added some natural stuff recently we'll see..
I kinda thought i had gyno a little and once you have it your stuck i believe....
Good feed back I'll stay away from tren .
I haven't had the best diet but i eat pretty clean, just not enough im sure.. lol
Thanks guys I'll always take good advice..

[lovbyts]

It might have been good to go another 4 weeks. I know I got a lot out of my 1st blast. One thing through is to get blood work done during it to make sure you E2 does not go up to much because it will limit gains if most is converted to E2. Mine goes way up easily but I dont feel any sides.

[KJ63]

Yes.. I'm due for another work up in a couple weeks before I go on Vacation

[APIs]

OP only has one-year under his belt. You can make significant gains on 200/week of Test Cyp alone without additional compounds. Many here are in their late 40's & early 50's seeing great results @ your dose & even less. No offense, but from the pic I'd say your training & diet still need work. Besides, adding another compound combined with a lack of general knowledge is a recipe for disaster. Not to mention the skewed blood values will have your Doc shaking his head at your next visit. Not good...

[kelkel]

Curious what your TT, FT and E2 run at on your current protocol?

[KJ63]

I will admit, my training is not quite up to par, I've been dealing with an old shoulder injury from years ago. Which lessens my ability to do presses.

OP only has one-year under his belt. You can make significant gains on 200/week of Test Cyp alone without additional compounds. Many here are in their late 40's & early 50's seeing great results @ your dose & even less. No offense, but from the pic I'd say your training & diet still need work. Besides, adding another compound combined with a lack of general knowledge is a recipe for disaster. Not to mention the skewed blood values will have your Doc shaking his head at your next visit. Not good...