High Estrogen

[Thc Sargon]

Hey guys,

I have been on TRT for about a year now, I have more bw and doc visit beginning of august. The last 6 months I gained about 30 pounds and have been unable to lose any weight. I did some research and realize I have high estrogen now, nipples been sensitive and the weight gain. The doctor won't move up the bw and stated that AI wasn't an option, should I just buy an AI myself? Or try to find a different endo? I stopped taking the injections this week and I have dropped 4 pounds in 4 days, I know my test has decreased so imagined so has my estrogen levels. I want to continue injections but don't want anymore weight gain.

Endo reasoning says AI is uneccessary, which is kind ridiculous. The problem with switching endo's is finding one within my insurance network. Just curious of what you guys thoughts.

[dfarre]

Don't eat so much.

[Thc Sargon]

lol, I have been under maintenance in the entirety on a weekly basis

[dfarre]

Then continue. There is no way to gain 30 pounds from anything else than eating, water retention can't be that big.

[Thc Sargon]

an AI wouldn't be needed?

[dfarre]

I don't know do a blood test.

[djgreen]

I would go with AI and see if any symptoms clear up and you are right bloating and itchy nipps are signs of high estro and you can get your own blood work for cheap use I healthtest direct

[APIs]

The weight gain you describe is likely a direct result of poor diet & lack of exercise. While your estrogen levels "may" be playing a part, you need to be brutally honest here. Dont pass your 30 lb weight gain off as estrogen problems alone. What is your current Test Cyp dosing? While your Doc is def wrong on not providing/considering the AI, your fat levels could also contribute to the excess conversion of Test into Estrogen. Regardless, E2 levels need be determined by actual blood work and not by your own "research" alone.

You need to express your concerns to your Doc and try to get him on-board with at least testing for E2 levels for a base line on which to move forward.

Stopping injections is the dumbest thing you could do. High Estrogen will not kill you in the short-term and now you've skewed all your blood levels which is likely worse IMO. Plus you'll feel like sh*t now from having made yourself a 'Unic' once again. Now when you go for a new BW baseline, your Doc will see the skewed numbers and say; WTF are you doing? You'll be labeled as a non-compliant patient making him even less likely to address your concerns.

TRT is a partnership between you and your Doc. You both have basic responsibilities in correctly maintaining your health. If the relationship cant be fixed then move on. Whatever you do, dont play Doctor based on perceived self-knowledge alone...

[Thc Sargon]

The weight gain you describe is likely a direct result of poor diet & lack of exercise. While your estrogen levels "may" be playing a part, you need to be brutally honest here. Dont pass your 30 lb weight gain off as estrogen problems alone. What is your current Test Cyp dosing? While your Doc is def wrong on not providing/considering the AI, your fat levels could also contribute to the excess conversion of Test into Estrogen. Regardless, E2 levels need be determined by actual blood work and not by your own "research" alone.

You need to express your concerns to your Doc and try to get him on-board with at least testing for E2 levels for a base line on which to move forward.

Stopping injections is the dumbest thing you could do. High Estrogen will not kill you in the short-term and now you've skewed all your blood levels which is likely worse IMO. Plus you'll feel like sh*t now from having made yourself a 'Unic' once again. Now when you go for a new BW baseline, your Doc will see the skewed numbers and say; WTF are you doing? You'll be labeled as a non-compliant patient making him even less likely to address your concerns.

TRT is a partnership between you and your Doc. You both have basic responsibilities in correctly maintaining your health. If the relationship cant be fixed then move on. Whatever you do, dont play Doctor based on perceived self-knowledge alone...

I appreciate your post, I do agree it isn't all of the estrogen of course partly is my eating habits to a point. I do think estrogen is a bigger factor than you would give credit for (I believe 50/50). I find it impossible to be losing weight on Test-C of 1 mg bi-weekly (even though it isn't that much). I don't think it is a coincidence I can drop weight off of it and not at all on it.

And your right I need BW to confirm my suspicions and and other issues that this could be creating. I appreciate your honesty and your post.

[APIs]

I appreciate your post, I do agree it isn't all of the estrogen of course partly is my eating habits to a point. I do think estrogen is a bigger factor than you would give credit for (I believe 50/50). I find it impossible to be losing weight on Test-C of 1 mg bi-weekly (even though it isn't that much). I don't think it is a coincidence I can drop weight off of it and not at all on it.

And your right I need BW to confirm my suspicions and and other issues that this could be creating. I appreciate your honesty and your post.

There you go! Bi-weekly injections is a big no-no! That's certainly not helping with E2 and the roller coaster effect of injecting once every two weeks is really screwing with your body. You really need to have a calm & direct talk with your Doc. He's obviously clueless. But I would still keep the injections going until things are addressed.

You didnt mention your dosing on the Test Cyp.

And eating habits are much more relevant than E2 levels. Especially as we get older. Good luck...

[Thc Sargon]

There you go! Bi-weekly injections is a big no-no! That's certainly not helping with E2 and the roller coaster effect of injecting once every two weeks is really screwing with your body. You really need to have a calm & direct talk with your Doc. He's obviously clueless. But I would still keep the injections going until things are addressed.

You didnt mention your dosing on the Test Cyp.

And eating habits are much more relevant than E2 levels. Especially as we get older. Good luck...

Yeah, your right not to stop the injections and I forgot about the bi-weekly potential problems. I meant the injections are 1ml=200mg of test c bi-weekly.

Thanks for the post

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Yeah, your right not to stop the injections and I forgot about the bi-weekly potential problems. I meant the injections are 1ml=200mg of test c bi-weekly.

Thanks for the post

clear this up please....
are you taking 200mg per week or 100mg per week
FYI: The English language is full of glitches so bi-weekly can mean either twice a week or once every two weeks.

[Thc Sargon]

200mg every two weeks, one injection every two weeks.

[bigdil511]

200mg every two weeks, one injection every two weeks.

Do you inject at home? If so I'd do 50mg 2x per week and should really keep your hormone levels in check. If not talk to dr and at least do 1x per week.

[Thc Sargon]

Yes I do it myself, probably a dumb question and I should research it but, will 1 shot of 200 mg every two weeks reach a higher peak than 4x50mg in that two week period? I know doing a shot a week will stabilize my hormones better, what is the point of being more stable if it doesn't reach a level I need?

[The_Crawfish]

Yes I do it myself, probably a dumb question and I should research it but, will 1 shot of 200 mg every two weeks reach a higher peak than 4x50mg in that two week period? I know doing a shot a week will stabilize my hormones better, what is the point of being more stable if it doesn't reach a level I need?

It's all about the half-life...
Half life of T-cyp is 8 days, so in 8 days, your 200 mg is down to 100 mg (in theory, obviously there's other factors involved), and I don't know how fast it falls off after that. You're body doesn't know days or weeks, it just knows that you're pumping a fairly high amount of substance in, and after a certain amount of time it's all gone, then you pump it back in, and on and on and on. It's not stable and never will be. You want to do weekly at a minimum, and bi-weekly (twice a wk) at best. Hell, there's a few on here who pin every day. That's not for me, but if it works for them, then have at it.

[Thc Sargon]

Ok, that makes sense, my endo said test c is a 14 days in my system, so half is ballpark is your 8 days, so by time I inject again I am completely empty. Thanks Crawfish.

[bigdil511]

Ok, that makes sense, my endo said test c is a 14 days in my system, so half is ballpark is your 8 days, so by time I inject again I am completely empty. Thanks Crawfish.

Exactly and you will always be imbalanced so that's why twice a week is optimal. Good luck post back with your results.

[Thc Sargon]

Update:
Lab results

any thoughts?

Component range result
Creatinine .72-1.25 1.2
Potassium 3.5-5 4.6
Calcium 8.5-10.5 9.6
Vitamin D 30-80 47.6
Test., Total 241-827 908
PSA Total <4 .92

[thic-tac]

Update:
Lab results

any thoughts?

Component range result
Creatinine .72-1.25 1.2
Potassium 3.5-5 4.6
Calcium 8.5-10.5 9.6
Vitamin D 30-80 47.6
Test., Total 241-827 908
PSA Total <4 .92

What was your test at prior to starting 200mg evey 2 weeks? Do you know your free test?

[Thc Sargon]

I don't know my free test, before my total test was 220

[thic-tac]

From 220 to 908 in a year on 200mg once every 2 weeks... Wow. From a numbers standpoint I'd say the BW looks good. You were concerned about estrogen earlier, do you know those levels? But most importantly, how do you feel?

[Thc Sargon]

I don't know the estrogen levels but I think they are alright, the bloating and soar nips have been long gone. I feel pretty good, I always thought you would feel unbelievable but I now know that isn't true. Overall I think it is working.