500 total natural test

[madmax1974]

Ok guys so heres the thing i have been off testosterone injections for over 3 years but i kept on telling my Doc that i was still taking them , so i could still get them prescribed for when i was ready to start another cycle . The injections are 200 mgs every other week , last week i got my labs done and my total testosterone was 500 ng/dl which is between the normal range , the doc actually told me that i was real healthy and suggested to start taking the shots on a three week period cause i was in the normal range , which i told him no cause i didnt want to take any chances, remember my labs are all natural im clean no injections, now i want to start a cycle test & stanazol and i want to get my test levels to the highest normal range which is around 1100 ng/dl , so heres my question around how much mgs do i inject once a week to make sure i kind of get there , ive researched all over the internet to see if i could find a formula like 200 mgs of test should give you 200 ng/dl etc, etc, but have had no luck . I actually want to know how it all works . My last cycle was 600 mgs test cyp & 300 mgs decca . Anyone with knowledge or experience feel free to give me your advice , thanks

[Baxter35]

Its hard to decide how to respond, because I disagree with taking advantage of the system. What originally led to your low T diagnosis in the first place? More important than total T is free T, do you have that number? Regardless of whether you really need trt or not, that doc isn't very knowledgeable. I can't understand saying your current results are good so lets change things, being that he's under the assumption you are following your protocol. There's no way to say what amount of test will give you certain results, everyone is different on that. When is your next trt blood work due?

[Beethoven]

I guess this is one of the reasons test is a controlled substance. That being said, your Dr doesn't seem knowledgeable at all. The only way to find out is through BW and trial and error. But if you are going to cycle, what does it matter? This thread should probably been in another section.

[madmax1974]

The main reason i posted here in the hrt section , is to see if anyone knows how the testosterone injections work, for exmple 100 mgs of test should give you a certain number of ng/dl. I want to get more knowledge for when i do start to cycle i dont over do it.

[madmax1974]

Its hard to decide how to respond, because I disagree with taking advantage of the system. What originally led to your low T diagnosis in the first place? More important than total T is free T, do you have that number? Regardless of whether you really need trt or not, that doc isn't very knowledgeable. I can't understand saying your current results are good so lets change things, being that he's under the assumption you are following your protocol. There's no way to say what amount of test will give you certain results, everyone is different on that. When is your next trt blood work due?

What originally led to my low T was i comming of a cycle stack and well my levels were getting back to normal so i was around the 200 range and i wish i was taking advantage of the system but I'm not since everything i get done is all private pay , my next blood work will be in February, i get checked out twice a month .

[bigdil511]

The main reason i posted here in the hrt section , is to see if anyone knows how the testosterone injections work, for exmple 100 mgs of test should give you a certain number of ng/dl. I want to get more knowledge for when i do start to cycle i dont over do it.

It's way too individualized to answer that question. When you cycle at say 500mgs a week your total test will be in the thousands if that helps.

[Bio-Active]

The main reason i posted here in the hrt section , is to see if anyone knows how the testosterone injections work, for exmple 100 mgs of test should give you a certain number of ng/dl. I want to get more knowledge for when i do start to cycle i dont over do it.

it doesn't work that way. It all just depends on the rate that your body absorbs it

[kelkel]

Good answers above.

Know that testosterone dosing and subsequent titrations are not linear. With (arguably) 100 mgs being a normal weekly dose, doubling that amount will not automatically double your serum T. We all metabolize differently based on a variety of factors. The only way to learn is frequent BW.

[Baxter35]

What originally led to my low T was i comming of a cycle stack and well my levels were getting back to normal so i was around the 200 range and i wish i was taking advantage of the system but I'm not since everything i get done is all private pay , my next blood work will be in February, i get checked out twice a month .

I appreciate the honesty and wont offer any more moral judgement. As stated, it varies too much person to person to guarantee results at a certain mg/week. Having said that, I don't think its worth cycling at all if your going to keep your levels that low. Even taking trt levels of test will shut you down, but wont give you the cycle benefits your looking for. Seems like too much risk for not enough gain.

[madmax1974]

Thanks for the input guys

[madmax1974]

It's way too individualized to answer that question. When you cycle at say 500mgs a week your total test will be in the thousands if that helps.

Thanks , that atleast gives me something to go on

[Beethoven]

Forgive me for asking if I didn't catch on. Why is a given level you are searching for important? If you're going to cycle it doesn't necessarily matter. If your natural test level off cycle is about 500, then that is the important number if your Dr thinks you're there with trt .
Now you don't want to be doing any BW for your Dr on cycle because your numbers, whatever they may be will be way above any trt dose you are on.

[madmax1974]

Its not a certain number that im looking for , i just dont want to take to much test and for my test levels to get to high like over the 1200s cause ive read that can lead to a lot of risks , the last cycle i did was 600 mg test & 300 mg decca i got great results but now i just want to play it safer , i just want lean mass . Hope this makes more sense.

[Nine91]

Keep in mind that I am still learning, but if you are in the high range of the normal test range I don't think that will benefit you in building muscle. I only thought it benefits you if it is super physiological doses you are in. Someone please correct me if I am wrong

[Beethoven]

Madmax at any cycle dosage you will be way beyond upper level numbers. Bear in mind that the high end of trt is 200 mg a week. At the top range you are still less than half of any cycle dosage which would be considered conservative. If you have found something that works stick with it, otherwise you have to go through a process that can take months to figure out. Bear in mind that when you figure it out on a hormonal number scale, you will be way short of cycle dosage.

[madmax1974]

Madmax at any cycle dosage you will be way beyond upper level numbers. Bear in mind that the high end of trt is 200 mg a week. At the top range you are still less than half of any cycle dosage which would be considered conservative. If you have found something that works stick with it, otherwise you have to go through a process that can take months to figure out. Bear in mind that when you figure it out on a hormonal number scale, you will be way short of cycle dosage.

Thanks for the input Beethoven, guess im gonna go with the 600 mgs of test like my last cycle or will 500 mgs be fine ? Give me your opinion

[Baxter35]

Thanks for the input Beethoven, guess im gonna go with the 600 mgs of test like my last cycle or will 500 mgs be fine ? Give me your opinion

What strength is the trt script test that you've been saving up? If its the 200mg/ml that is common in the US, then I'd recommend doing 400mg/week. The 500/mg that is typically cited is also usually ugl test which is often under dosed, so 400mg of pharm test should be good. Keep in mind that will definitely put you way over the 1200 range that you were looking for.

[madmax1974]

Yes its 200 mgs Test Cyp all pharmacy grade and thanks thats exactly the information i was looking for. Now i at least have an idea on how to gauge my shots , i know there has to be a formula on how its all converted but i just cant find it. I am gonna go with the 400 mgs a week , see how it goes .

[Beethoven]

I would say go with what you know. I haven't cycled in many years. My last one was sustanon 250 and I responded well. 400 of pharm grade would be good.

[Low Testosterone]

Maybe I missed where someone already said it...600mg of test per week but you're worried about being over 1200 ng/dl? That dose of testosterone , I don't care who you are, your total test numbers will be well into the several thousands.

And to reiterate there is no formula like you're looking for. A formula like that would be like expecting everyone who is 6'2" to have the exact same athletic talent...basically a chart that lays out athletic talent based on height and only height...that would be ridiculous...I think we'd all agree. Saying X amount of testosterone will produce a specific total testosterone number in all humans is just as ridiculous. For example, if you give 100mg of testosterone per week to 100 men you will have 100 different readings and they will be all over the place. I've seen men who on 200mg per week struggle to get their numbers up, not it's not common but it does happen and I've seen men on as little as 25mg per week have testosterone levels around 1000, again not common but it does happen.

[Bonaparte]

Why would you only want 1100 ng/dl? There would be very little performance enhancement over 500 ng/dl.

[kelkel]

Maybe I missed where someone already said it...600mg of test per week but you're worried about being over 1200 ng/dl? That dose of testosterone, I don't care who you are, your total test numbers will be well into the several thousands.

Yep. Op, I'll use myself as an example. If I run 60-70 mgs twice per week on TRT my serum T is in the 1400's to 1500's. Imagine that number on a cycle?