Injected my first TRT dose tonight.

[GenXAAS]

My initial labs showed 425ng/dl total T
I injected my first TRT dose tonight. It was 100mg of T-cyp. This is my first time ever taking T.
Felt a little awkward, but I think my technique will improve and be smoother over time. Needles are so small that I didn't really notice them.
My girlfriend wonders if she is going to get a call from me in the middle of the night tonight. LOL! My libido has been quite low and trending lower and lower these last few years and months. How soon might I notice an increase in libido?

[Simon1972]

My initial labs showed 425ng/dl total T
I injected my first TRT dose tonight. It was 100mg of T-cyp. This is my first time ever taking T.
Felt a little awkward, but I think my technique will improve and be smoother over time. Needles are so small that I didn't really notice them.
My girlfriend wonders if she is going to get a call from me in the middle of the night tonight. LOL! My libido has been quite low and trending lower and lower these last few years and months. How soon might I notice an increase in libido?

Welcome to the club!. You will initially feel amazing in a matter of days. Your endogenous test will diminish and the exogenous test will take over. You will find initial teste pain. This is normal. Pain should stabilize and stop in 3 weeks max. Libido should increase in days and taper off in weeks as you find your body adjusts.

Advice. Split your dose to 50mg on Tuesday night and 50mg on sat morning. This will limit the test converting into estrogen. Best of luck

Go here for a tool to help u.
http://www.nebido.com/tools/index.ph...x/effects-tool

[GenXAAS]

Welcome to the club!. You will initially feel amazing in a matter of days. Your endogenous test will diminish and the exogenous test will take over. You will find initial teste pain. This is normal. Pain should stabilize and stop in 3 weeks max. Libido should increase in days and taper off in weeks as you find your body adjusts.

Advice. Split your dose to 50mg on Tuesday night and 50mg on sat morning. This will limit the test converting into estrogen. Best of luck

Go here for a tool to help u.

Thanks, Simon!

I didn't know about the possible testes pain at all. That's good to be aware of.
My Dr also gave me HCG . So I also took that for the first time tonight. Dr is going to help me keep on eye on estrogen levels, and will prescribe an AI if needed. My next lab is in 6 weeks. With the HCG, that should protect most or all of my endo T, no?

Great suggestion on splitting the dose, and I am going to do that very thing. My prescribed dose amount is 200mg/wk, and I'll be doing just as you suggested, but a higher amount: 100mg on Tues night, and 100mg on Sat morn.

My HCG dose is 3x week. So, I guess my extra day for that will be Mon morning.

Very excited to observe the effects over time. I'm pumped to hit my regular weightlifting routine tomorrow morning.

I'll take a look at the link.

[GenXAAS]

Go here for a tool to help u.
link

Great link! Thanks! I sent it to my girlfriend too. lol

[Moonjumper]

Thanks, Simon!

I didn't know about the possible testes pain at all. That's good to be aware of.
My Dr also gave me HCG . So I also took that for the first time tonight. Dr is going to help me keep on eye on estrogen levels, and will prescribe an AI if needed. My next lab is in 6 weeks. With the HCG, that should protect most or all of my endo T, no?

Great suggestion on splitting the dose, and I am going to do that very thing. My prescribed dose amount is 200mg/wk, and I'll be doing just as you suggested, but a higher amount: 100mg on Tues night, and 100mg on Sat morn.

My HCG dose is 3x week. So, I guess my extra day for that will be Mon morning.

Very excited to observe the effects over time. I'm pumped to hit my regular weightlifting routine tomorrow morning.

I'll take a look at the link.

HCG should prevent the testes pain too actually.

[DanMan250]

Your dose of 200mg per week is extremely high. I take just 40mg twice a week and that puts me toward the top of the reference range. If I were to take 100mg twice a week, not only would my T levels be more than 2 times above the top of the normal range, I'd also have a limp dick!
How much HCG are you taking?
To me, it sounds like you should have educated yourself a lot more before starting TRT.

[Simon1972]

Great suggestion on splitting the dose, and I am going to do that very thing. My prescribed dose amount is 200mg/wk, and I'll be doing just as you suggested, but a higher amount: 100mg on Tues night, and 100mg on Sat morn.

My HCG dose is 3x week. So, I guess my extra day for that will be Mon morning.

Very excited to observe the effects over time. I'm pumped to hit my regular weightlifting routine tomorrow morning.

I'll take a look at the link.

I hope you review your dose. 200 seems high and as Dan suggested it comes with unwanted side effects. I'm on 150 total per week. 75mg split. Would suggest you at least start there. I just feel uncomfortable at that 200\week level. Might sound awesome now, but long term not so beneficial

[GenXAAS]

HCG should prevent the testes pain too actually.

That was my understanding. Thanks for confirming.

[GenXAAS]

Your dose of 200mg per week is extremely high. I take just 40mg twice a week and that puts me toward the top of the reference range. If I were to take 100mg twice a week, not only would my T levels be more than 2 times above the top of the normal range, I'd also have a limp dick!
How much HCG are you taking?
To me, it sounds like you should have educated yourself a lot more before starting TRT.

I hope you review your dose. 200 seems high and as Dan suggested it comes with unwanted side effects. I'm on 150 total per week. 75mg split. Would suggest you at least start there. I just feel uncomfortable at that 200\week level. Might sound awesome now, but long term not so beneficial

I'm a little baffled with the concern over the dose. If I were getting this much T in a stacking dose, it's not an issue...

I'm informed and comfortable with the potential risks and side effects at my current dose and where I want to be in terms of range which is beyond 800. I'm also under the care of a physician (who specializes in this with many patients) with labs and ongoing monitoring of my condition to adjust if/as needed. For example, if my labs show too much E, my Dr will prescribe an AI. Thanks.

[kelkel]

I'm informed and comfortable with the potential risks and side effects at my current dose and where I want to be in terms of range which is beyond 800. I'm also under the care of a physician with labs and ongoing monitoring of my condition. Thanks.

Your doc does sound relatively on top of things with the inclusion of HCG and a possible AI. Not much doubt in my mind you'll need this on that dose of T. What surprises me is what the other guys touched on, a 200 mg starting dose. I simply don't understand why docs do this with testosterone as all it does is increase the risk of side effects. It's always much wiser to start low (100 mgs as suggested) and titrate up if needed after BW.

Naturally we all respond and metabolize testosterone differently, but very few need that much. Also, don't get caught up in your serum T number as it means nothing. Be concerned with your Free T level as this is what works for you. You can have a TT number of 10K but if it's bound and not free, it's useless. Also #2: Make sure you obtain a Sensitive Estrogen Assay with your BW, not standard estradiol.

Best of luck. Report back on this thread with your first BW if you will. It helps us all to learn!

[GenXAAS]

Your doc does sound relatively on top of things with the inclusion of HCG and a possible AI. Not much doubt in my mind you'll need this on that dose of T.

Re: AI. I've been a slim guy most of my life. Not all guys respond exactly the same. There was a suggestion that my E may stay in the acceptable range. We will be monitoring it.

What surprises me is what the other guys touched on, a 200 mg starting dose. I simply don't understand why docs do this with testosterone as all it does is increase the risk of side effects. It's always much wiser to start low (100 mgs as suggested) and titrate up if needed after BW.

Naturally we all respond and metabolize testosterone differently, but very few need that much.

The concern is a little baffling. If this were a stacking dose, it's not an issue. Whether you start moderately high or lower isn't a problem. You can always go down too.

Also, don't get caught up in your serum T number as it means nothing. Be concerned with your Free T level as this is what works for you. You can have a TT number of 10K but if it's bound and not free, it's useless.

Yep. My free T is low too. We are monitoring this too.

Also #2: Make sure you obtain a Sensitive Estrogen Assay with your BW, not standard estradiol.

Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it.

Best of luck. Report back on this thread with your first BW if you will. It helps us all to learn!

Thanks for *all* the feedback from *everyone*. Will do!

[kelkel]

The concern is a little baffling. If this were a stacking dose, it's not an issue. Whether you start moderately high or lower isn't a problem. You can always go down too.

Not sure why it's baffling. It's common sense espoused by virtually all the top docs in the industry. How many other meds do you know of that the doc starts you at what's basically the maximum dosage and hopes for the best? The goal with TRT is to mitigate sides and use as little meds as possible to achieve desired results, not the opposite. Your dose is not moderately high, it is high for TRT.

[GenXAAS]

Not sure why it's baffling. It's common sense espoused by virtually all the top docs in the industry. How many other meds do you know of that the doc starts you at what's basically the maximum dosage and hopes for the best?

That's a mischaracterization of my current protocol.

The goal with TRT is to mitigate sides and use as little meds as possible to achieve desired results, not the opposite.

And this is exactly the guide in my protocol.

Your dose is not moderately high, it is high for TRT.

You are welcome to your opinion. TRT is broader than how you want to characterize it.

[kelkel]

It's not a mischaracterization, it's YOUR protocol. Read up on Dr. Crisler, Dr. Shippen, Nelson Vergel and some of the others who are at the top of this field.
TRT is broader than I want to characterize it? Educate me please. If you mean "one size does not fit all" then yes, I agree. But apparently your doc can look at you and simply know that you're a hyper-excreter and need a maximum dose to start.

Regardless, different opinions make this board go around and we all learn from each other. And I sincerely hope for the best for you and would like to see how you make out on your first round of BW. An effective TRT protocol can be life changing.

[GenXAAS]

It's not a mischaracterization, it's YOUR protocol. Read up on Dr. Crisler, Dr. Shippen, Nelson Vergel and some of the others who are at the top of this field.
TRT is broader than I want to characterize it? Educate me please. If you mean "one size does not fit all" then yes, I agree. But apparently your doc can look at you and simply know that you're a hyper-excreter and need a maximum dose to start.

Regardless, different opinions make this board go around and we all learn from each other. And I sincerely hope for the best for you and would like to see how you make out on your first round of BW. An effective TRT protocol can be life changing.

At a minimum, I'm sure you would agree that TRT isn't exclusive of other objectives.

Thanks for engaging and your support. I'll post an update when the time comes.

[bigdil511]

At a minimum, I'm sure you would agree that TRT isn't exclusive of other objectives. Thanks for engaging and your support. I'll post an update when the time comes.

Did you come here to learn or tell everyone else that you know everything and have nothing to learn. There are few on here if any that know more about the body than Kel. Btw 200 starting dose is ridiculous. You keep saying wouldn't be concerned with stacking, but that's temporary the problem with trt is its permanent and long term that much test will undoubtedly have sides.

[DanMan250]

If you find it "baffling" and you think that you and your doc know what's best, then why bother even posting? Personally I think your doc was a fool for starting you off with an AI unless you had high E2 to begin with.
It makes WAY more sense to start off on a lower dose of test with no AI to see how you respond because the lower the dose, the less side effects you will have.
How do you know that 50mg or less twice a week won't put you toward the top of the reference range, whilst keeping estradiol within a healthy range? You don't unless you try it and then have blood work done. As I mentioned, I take just 40mg test twice a week, along with 250iu HCG twice a week and this puts me at the top of reference range. My estradiol is low normal, so I don't need an AI. This was my starting dose, and I'm glad I started at this dose, because this is my optimal dose. If I had started too high, it would have made it a lot more difficult to readjust the dose and would have caused a lot of unwanted side effects. It's much easier to work your way up in dosage, than come back down.

[Simon1972]

I think the op isn't meaning to offend anyone . Sometimes posts can be read in ways other than intended, so benefit of doubt should prevail here. I can see you are keen to take advantage of the trt to maximise the benefits. E.g. muscle. But he would be well advised to find his sweet spot first. Once you have that, blast away. I'm still dialing mine in 10 months out and might blast in a few months. Patience is key here. You don't want to mess up.

[kelkel]

I think the op isn't meaning to offend anyone . Sometimes posts can be read in ways other than intended, so benefit of doubt should prevail here. I can see you are keen to take advantage of the trt to maximise the benefits. E.g. muscle. But he would be well advised to find his sweet spot first. Once you have that, blast away. I'm still dialing mine in 10 months out and might blast in a few months. Patience is key here. You don't want to mess up.

Very well said.

[kuad]

Interesting.

[GenXAAS]

I am about 4.5 weeks into my TRT. So far so good, but some questions.
1. My first bottle of T is supposed to have about 10 injections, but it looks like I'll have enough for about 9.2 injections. I've been careful to draw just .5ml. How did I short myself? Is there residual amounts of T being left in the needle or hub. I leave the needle in for over 20 seconds after injection. I watched the injection videos before I started TRT and a couple times since, and I believe that I'm doing the correct protocol. Thoughts?
2. I've been rotating injections as right glute, left glute, right quad, left quad, then repeat. What other areas should a rookie rotate too, or is it good to stick to that routine for now?
3. I aspirate before injecting. However, both times on my right quad, I think I might have nicked a blood vessel. The first time I felt a minor bruise that lasted a couple of days. The second time an even smaller bruise that seemed to be gone the next day. I presume this is normal.
4. My TRT needle is about 1.25", but I've wondered if the needle didn't penetrate past fat into muscle, how does that effect the injection of T? Not absorbed as well in fat as in muscle? No/minimal effect? This isn't an issue, I'm just curious about the effect.
5. When you go on trips, how do you store your HCG to keep it cool?

[GenXAAS]

Bump. Any responses?

I am about 4.5 weeks into my TRT. So far so good, but some questions.
1. My first bottle of T is supposed to have about 10 injections, but it looks like I'll have enough for about 9.2 injections. I've been careful to draw just .5ml. How did I short myself? Is there residual amounts of T being left in the needle or hub. I leave the needle in for over 20 seconds after injection. I watched the injection videos before I started TRT and a couple times since, and I believe that I'm doing the correct protocol. Thoughts?
2. I've been rotating injections as right glute, left glute, right quad, left quad, then repeat. What other areas should a rookie rotate too, or is it good to stick to that routine for now?
3. I aspirate before injecting. However, both times on my right quad, I think I might have nicked a blood vessel. The first time I felt a minor bruise that lasted a couple of days. The second time an even smaller bruise that seemed to be gone the next day. I presume this is normal.
4. My TRT needle is about 1.25", but I've wondered if the needle didn't penetrate past fat into muscle, how does that effect the injection of T? Not absorbed as well in fat as in muscle? No/minimal effect? This isn't an issue, I'm just curious about the effect.
5. When you go on trips, how do you store your HCG to keep it cool?

[RigPig]

I am about 4.5 weeks into my TRT. So far so good, but some questions. 1. My first bottle of T is supposed to have about 10 injections, but it looks like I'll have enough for about 9.2 injections. I've been careful to draw just .5ml. How did I short myself? Is there residual amounts of T being left in the needle or hub. I leave the needle in for over 20 seconds after injection. I watched the injection videos before I started TRT and a couple times since, and I believe that I'm doing the correct protocol. Thoughts? 2. I've been rotating injections as right glute, left glute, right quad, left quad, then repeat. What other areas should a rookie rotate too, or is it good to stick to that routine for now? 3. I aspirate before injecting. However, both times on my right quad, I think I might have nicked a blood vessel. The first time I felt a minor bruise that lasted a couple of days. The second time an even smaller bruise that seemed to be gone the next day. I presume this is normal. 4. My TRT needle is about 1.25", but I've wondered if the needle didn't penetrate past fat into muscle, how does that effect the injection of T? Not absorbed as well in fat as in muscle? No/minimal effect? This isn't an issue, I'm just curious about the effect. 5. When you go on trips, how do you store your HCG to keep it cool?

1- that happens, hard to be 100% exact. Like you've stated minuscule amounts in the hub and needle add up over a course of 9-10 shots.
2-those sites are good, delta are also another good one.
3-as long as you aspirated and didn't fill the needle with blood, no problem. Nicking a vein happens sometimes. No issue.
4- 1.25" should be enough, if not it will still get absorbed.
5-the refrigerator, if there isn't one where you are going just bring preloaded pins and don't worry too much about it.

[GenXAAS]

1- that happens...

Thanks for responding, RigPig.

[RigPig]

Thanks for responding, RigPig.

No problem G.

[mike198]

Not a TRT guy, but my first cycle was close to a TRT dose (260 mg/week). It was prescribed, human grade gear, so it was potent as heck. 8 weeks into the cycle my TT was >1500 and free T was off the charts as well. I noticed after two injections (about 6 days into cycle) my libido was uncontrollable. It then tapered off and normalized I guess. E2 was up and down as well. I could tell with the occasional brain fog that would virtually incapacitate me from time to time. Best protocol is to have a dosing scheme and stick to it. Don't experiment with dosing throughout cycle. Sometimes I would take 300 mg week and less arimidex and sometimes more. My hemoglobin got up to 20.2 so I bumped the dose back down to 260 for the last quarter of cycle