First BW done... HELP!

**Machiavelli66** · 01-12-2016, 04:57 PM

Alright...

Here is the skinny:
49y/o male, lift and trained for years. BF not where I want but it's a work in progress.
Initial bw showed total test 310, Free 10.5, LH 3.7, and Estrodiol sensitive was 18.8

I've been pinning 100mg of Test E, and 350 Hcg twice a week for 6 weeks. Thought I would get some work done to check my levels... Flash forward to yesterday.

Total T: 1988
Free T: >50
Estrodial Sens: 109!

I know I'm screwed, but other than lowering my Test WAYYYY down, I started Aromasin 25mg as of yesterday and will continue ED for 30 days.

I was foolishly advised by a friend who said in a rather strict manner... DONT TAKE ANY AI UNLESS YOU SHOW SIDES.

And thats the rub... I havent really felt poorly, My workouts are going strong, libido is good, and zero signs of gyno other than some nip puff but hasn't progressed at all.

At this dosage, I didn't expect to be so jacked, buth then again, I'm a super noob.

I have read everything I could on getting prepped, am I ready, etc. I have also digested every word Austinite has put forth and really figured I was on the right track.

My BP has been normal, no acne, no moodiness, no nada. As a matter of fact, I was seriously concerned that the Test E I had might have been bunk which is what really prompted me to pull bw. As it turns out, it may appear as if it's significantly OVERDOSED?

I appreciate all the wisdom here and would graciously accept any (constructive) advice. My number one concern now is Hematocrit. Which of course I did not have checked.

Argh! Thanks in advance guys.

**Bio-Active** · 01-12-2016, 05:02 PM

Get a CBC done to check your crit level. What are you doing here self trt or a cycle?

**Machiavelli66** · 01-12-2016, 05:04 PM

You'd think it was a cycle right? But no, self TRT is what would best describe it. Otherwise I would have been on the Aromasin bandwagon from day one. I donated prior to my first pin as my crit was 50.2 to begin with. I really had no idea my levels would get so high in such a short time, and am genuinely concerned as I am no expert and would like to "normalize" as quickly as possible.

**Bio-Active** · 01-12-2016, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Machiavelli66

You'd think it was a cycle right? But no, self TRT is what would best describe it. Otherwise I would have been on the Aromasin bandwagon from day one. I donated prior to my first pin as my crit was 50.2 to begin with. I really had no idea my levels would get so high in such a short time, and am genuinely concerned as I am no expert and would like to "normalize" as quickly as possible.

reduce your test to 100 mg ew. You might be able to get by without the ai at that dose. 200 is the high end for trt. You can do a blood donation to get that crit down. It's not dangerous until it creeps up above 52-53 range but it would be nice to get it lower

**bigdil511** · 01-12-2016, 05:10 PM

Are you pinning 100mg test e twice a week? That's way too much for trt dose to start, what exactly were you doing here?

**Machiavelli66** · 01-12-2016, 05:14 PM

Thanks a bunch Bio~ So am I correct in dosing the Aromasin initially? I have no qualms about pulling bw again in a few weeks if needed to check in on levels. On that note, I need to research my timelines. I know I've read here in the forums about cycling on TRT and when to expect (Test) levels to return to TRT baseline.

**Bio-Active** · 01-12-2016, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Machiavelli66

Thanks a bunch Bio~ So am I correct in dosing the Aromasin initially? I have no qualms about pulling bw again in a few weeks if needed to check in on levels. On that note, I need to research my timelines. I know I've read here in the forums about cycling on TRT and when to expect (Test) levels to return to TRT baseline.

aromasin should be daily yes but 25 mg ed may be to much. At 100 mg ew you probably won't need it at all. I'd drop to 100 mg ew and run labs again in 4-6 weeks

**Machiavelli66** · 01-12-2016, 05:20 PM

Big: I was attempting to "fix" a number of issues that were plaguing me for some time. In 2010 I had bw done where my Total T was just above 300 and my doc brushed it off as "normal for my age". I also have insurance that dictates that unless I am <250, I don't qual. The 100mg twice a week came from much reading where doses seemed to range from 100-250 ew, split being the most ideal protocol. Again, really didn't expect such inflated numbers from 200mg but then wth do I know! Obviously can't believe everything you read. Lesson learned.

**Bio-Active** · 01-12-2016, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Machiavelli66

Big: I was attempting to "fix" a number of issues that were plaguing me for some time. In 2010 I had bw done where my Total T was just above 300 and my doc brushed it off as "normal for my age". I also have insurance that dictates that unless I am <250, I don't qual. The 100mg twice a week came from much reading where doses seemed to range from 100-250 ew, split being the most ideal protocol. Again, really didn't expect such inflated numbers from 200mg but then wth do I know! Obviously can't believe everything you read. Lesson learned.

those guys running 250 mg ew are cruising and are not really running trt. Trt is a lifelong commitment to keep your levels in a natural range

**Machiavelli66** · 01-12-2016, 05:23 PM

I do understand that Estrodiol will naturally come down when my test levels drop. But was also concerned as this appears to be the biggest issue that one needs to stay aware of, and control through whatever means available. Should I take it initially? Half dose? Any?

**Bio-Active** · 01-12-2016, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Machiavelli66

I do understand that Estrodiol will naturally come down when my test levels drop. But was also concerned as this appears to be the biggest issue that one needs to stay aware of, and control through whatever means available. Should I take it initially? Half dose? Any?

your levels should drop quickly because you won't have the extra test aromatizing.

**Chauffeur** · 01-14-2016, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Machiavelli66

I do understand that Estrodiol will naturally come down when my test levels drop. But was also concerned as this appears to be the biggest issue that one needs to stay aware of, and control through whatever means available. Should I take it initially? Half dose? Any?

Taking 25mg of Aromasin every day for a month is not the solution to your problem. You will completely crash your estradiol long before you make it to the end of the month.

Just drop your dose of testosterone , retest in 6-8 weeks, and go from there. Perhaps you may still need a very low dose of Aromasin, but most guys can work their protocol so that they need no AI at all.

**Rusty11** · 01-17-2016, 09:30 AM

Not to be an alarmist, but if your hematocrit was 50.2 prior to your first pin, I can only assume it's risen to an unhealthy level. You don't want to ignore that. So, do what others are saying and DONATE BLOOD SOON!

**kelkel** · 01-17-2016, 10:42 AM

Great advice from Bio.
I'd also drop your HCG down to 250 IU's x 2 per week.

**Machiavelli66** · 01-18-2016, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Rusty11

Not to be an alarmist, but if your hematocrit was 50.2 prior to your first pin, I can only assume it's risen to an unhealthy level. You don't want to ignore that. So, do what others are saying and DONATE BLOOD SOON!

Thanks for all th advice gents- so I didn't follow through with the Aromasin , immediately dropped my test to 50mg twice a week and also lowered my Hcg (thanks Kel) so hopefully I'm on the right track.

Did a double rbc donation today. Upon arrival my hemo was 18.4 which of course equates to crit over 55.

Going to pull bw in a month to check in on "normalization". Hope to be dialed in by then.

Cheers-