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    So lets have a look at some lab result

    Here are the initial results from the first test. Hoping some knowledgeable folks on this forum will take a peek and sift through the results to see if they can spot abnormalities or things that one needs to keep an eye on.

    Because i'm 6 months into trt and frankly not feeling any better. Started with test-c @ 200mg/ml 1.0ml per week, then 1.25ml per week, and now up to 1.5ml per week with no change. Running anastrozole at .5mg x 2 each week and HCG at 500x2 per week. Was hoping there would be a turn around at some point but thinking it might be the opposite. Now running into issues of a heavy abnormal heart beat every now and then when settling into bed for the night which worries me. Diet is fairly consistent and clean. Getting regular exercise as well.

    2 more labs to follow shortly
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    Here is the follow up to the initial labs. The test shows waaaaay high and so far outside the range of normal that i couldn't believe it. They had the belief i was running a cycle. Of course i wasn't and knew this is a fluke. I had asked them to double/triple check and insisted there was a lab mix up. They claim there is no way to know this as a lab will not concede to a mistake they may have made. So i insisted on a retest.
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    So here is the follow up to the follow up. Although, not sure how much credence one can give to the last 2 tests. Since the first one was so screwed up how much confidence can one have in anything they do? Anyway, posting up what i have in hand.

    And ALL draws were done on a fasted monday morning. The follow up labs were before pinning and pins days were on monday and thursday with HCG on sat/sun.
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    How much testosterone are you taking??

    On your first post you made some mistake saying you take 1,5mg

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    Your E2 looks almost non-existent and that alone might account for lack of results; consider lowering your AI dosage.

    DHT too is on the low end. Are you injecting SubQ?

    Did you mean 150mg of Test weekly? Would that be Cypionate , right?

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    You need 25 posts to be able to type some words.

    Either increase your post number or type "around" it

    The lounge is a good place to increase post numbers lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    How much testosterone are you taking??

    On your first post you made some mistake saying you take 1,5mg



    Tried to edit to no avail. Should be the one mentioned below your post and its now up to 1.5ml per week.

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    didn't even try to type the word just a letter and it spammed me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by global-illuminati View Post
    Tried to edit to no avail. Should be the one mentioned below your post and its now up to 1.5ml per week.
    Will guess that you are on cypionate 200mg/ml. So you are taking 300mg per week which is a lot for TRT!

    One important information is how many days after pinning did you draw blood for the bloodwork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    Your E2 looks almost non-existent and that alone might account for lack of results; consider lowering your AI dosage.

    DHT too is on the low end. Are you injecting SubQ?

    Did you mean 150mg of Test weekly? Would that be Cypionate, right?


    The AI was 3 times a week then got knocked down to 2 times a week after most recent lab. Doc says i don't aromatize very easily.....although i feel like i might have some underlying issues as my chest looks like it might be storing fat in it.

    Shots are IM.

    The shots were supposed to read mL. with the test strength at 200 per mL. So presumably(if i understand this all correctly) a 1.5ml dose of what i have will put me in the 300mg range per week.


    Funny you mention DHT because i went on 5mg finasteride about the same time(couple weeks after starting protocol) and it shut me down completely in the libido dept. quickly, so i ended that shortly after starting. Not sure if that is a lingering issue or not.

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    Your hematocrit is high, you need to donate blood to try and put it below 50%.

    It can cause high blood pressure and stress your whole cardiovascular system. Higher heart beat can be side effect from this.

    Also increase your water intake.

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    Why are you taking 5mg of finasteride at 30 years old???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    Will guess that you are on cypionate 200mg/ml. So you are taking 300mg per week which is a lot for TRT!

    One important information is how many days after pinning did you draw blood for the bloodwork?

    Seems like i may be a non responder as i'm still only in the 800 range, and feel no benefits.

    Draw schedule listed in post #3 which is monday draw(fasted). Pins used to run on monday only, but since i wasn't feeling an improvement i tried splitting up for a mon/thur pin still no change though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by global-illuminati View Post
    Seems like i may be a non responder as i'm still only in the 800 range, and feel no benefits.

    Draw schedule listed in post #3 which is monday draw(fasted). Pins used to run on monday only, but since i wasn't feeling an improvement i tried splitting up for a mon/thur pin still no change though.
    Stop the finasteride, at that dose it will give you nasty sexual side effects. Also, reduce the AI to 0,25mg, take it 12 hours after testosterone shot.

    800 total and 25 free at the day of the shot, might mean you spend most of the 3.5 days above range. IMO in TRT the aim should be to maintain levels inside the range at all times, understand that this is difficult with cyp or enan, and of course the most important is how you feel.

    How did you feel before and what was the cause for your hypogonadism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by global-illuminati View Post
    Funny you mention DHT because i went on 5mg finasteride about the same time(couple weeks after starting protocol) and it shut me down completely in the libido dept. quickly, so i ended that shortly after starting. Not sure if that is a lingering issue or not.
    Throw that s**t away. DHT is important for sexual function, including libido and maintenance of penile tissues...

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    Quote Originally Posted by global-illuminati View Post
    Seems like i may be a non responder as i'm still only in the 800 range, and feel no benefits.

    Draw schedule listed in post #3 which is monday draw(fasted). Pins used to run on monday only, but since i wasn't feeling an improvement i tried splitting up for a mon/thur pin still no change though.
    800...didnt the updated test show 2500?
    The 800range is perfect and you should feel good. But you will not feel good with your estrogenvalue.

    Whatch your hct as BB said, ur already at 50 and 53 is a donatelimit, even for heavy gearusers.

    Possible you need to be more nazi with your diett. HDL could be better. Google the 20 best arteriecleaning foodtypes and insert as many as you can affort into your daily diett.

    But first thing, as they say..lower your AI dose.

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    Guys, i know you are trying to help but please read carefully as we seems to be rehashing stuff already covered.

    Finasteride was quite a long time ago. Actually fairly shortly after i started getting sides i shut it down. Pretty sure i'm still dealing with the side effects. It might be way more perm. than one was lead to believe by manufacturer. So not sure how that is all going to play out, but trying to deal with it best i can.

    My diet is pretty good. About as clean as its every been and been that way for a while. Chicken, beef, fish with veggies(carrots, beans, peas, bell peppers, broc, cauli) is the norm. Occasional brown rice. Oatmeal with fruit and/or eggs in morning (sometimes add cheese). Snacks are yogurts, nuts, or fruit and sometimes PB. Only drink water. And protein shakes with wtr or milk. Once in a blue moon i'll have a cookie or something sweet but its rare.

    Updated lab for test is the lower number, as the second lab was waaaaaay out of line for me. I.E. showed up 2,5xx then tested again a week later same time and everything and came back in low 800.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    Stop the finasteride, at that dose it will give you nasty sexual side effects. Also, reduce the AI to 0,25mg, take it 12 hours after testosterone shot.

    800 total and 25 free at the day of the shot, might mean you spend most of the 3.5 days above range. IMO in TRT the aim should be to maintain levels inside the range at all times, understand that this is difficult with cyp or enan, and of course the most important is how you feel.

    How did you feel before and what was the cause for your hypogonadism?

    I feel the same now as i did before trt. Only now i'm completely shut down in the libido dept. Was hoping the blood work posted would help lead to some ideas as to what may be contributing factors to the low t. I know i have it, but what i don't know, and what my doc. hasn't figured out, is why it may be low. My limited understanding is there are a lot of feedback systems in play here, and i have no idea what/which could be a contributing factor to the issues at hand.

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    you need to really get on top of the doses and not just put up how many mls you inject- different products are dosed at different strengths. If you struggle with that basics- you may make a mistake in your doses and that could be the reason for your issues.

    can you tell us what your dr has prescribed, in the following format.
    (i have filled in what i could garnish from your posts)

    Testosterone -
    Milligrams per week:
    how many milligrams per shot:
    shots per week:

    AI-
    What type:Anastrozole
    Mg Per week: 1mg
    How many times per week: 2x 0.5mg

    HCG -
    Mg per week:1000mg
    how many times per week: 2x 500mg

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    ^^^ This.

    Did you get the message that your hematocrit at 52% might be the culprit for the heavy chest and abnormal heartbeat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    ^^^ This.

    Did you get the message that your hematocrit at 52% might be the culprit for the heavy chest and abnormal heartbeat?

    Yes i did, thanks. Actually tried to reply to a post above to address that, but still getting the spam message. So for the time being can't reply accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silabolin View Post
    800...didnt the updated test show 2500?
    The 800range is perfect and you should feel good. But you will not feel good with your estrogenvalue.

    Whatch your hct as BB said, ur already at 50 and 53 is a donatelimit, even for heavy gearusers.

    Possible you need to be more nazi with your diett. HDL could be better. Google the 20 best arteriecleaning foodtypes and insert as many as you can affort into your daily diett.

    But first thing, as they say..lower your AI dose.

    Here's what i'm thinking about though. Before anything the first lab was 50 hct, then pushing 300mg test only brought me up 2 points. So was i abnormally high to begin with? Is there a usual standard by which a certain amount of test will bump up those numbers. I.E. 150mg a week usually may account for a 1 point rise for most folks....or something like that? If i was high to begin with, was/is there something in the labs that helps to point to other indicators/markers for why i might be having issues getting dialed in here?

    Now i just have to figure out how to split up a .5 capsule into a .25 dose . Suppose i could just open it up and split powder in half. Although not sure it would be all that accurate.
    Also, another thing that worries me is i get the feeling i may actually be prone to gyno. No matter what i have done my whole life i felt like there has been an abnormal amount of fat on my chest. Even when skinny (ages ago) i had what i considered moobs. I know i don't have obvious boobs, but its still is bothersome. I don't get a cut/refined chest like most fit men do. This makes me apprehensive to cut back on AI. So the question is....might there be something else within the lab work up that could point to why fat may be stored in my chest? Maybe i have high prolactin? I know its not in these labs, but thinking i may ask the doc to get that looked at. Just don't know if there is something else that could be in the labs i have now which might point to a contributing factor.

    To clarify: running 300mg test per week....what is the consensus on AI based on the shown BW? Did i understand correctly @ .25mg per week? Or was that the .5mg split into 2 hits of .25mg for a total of .5mg a week? If the later, is there any issue with taking the .5mg once a week? I know it may not be ideal, but would be a bit easier than splitting up all the doses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon1972 View Post
    Testosterone -
    Milligrams per week:
    how many milligrams per shot:
    shots per week:

    AI-
    What type:Anastrozole
    Mg Per week: 1mg
    How many times per week: 2x 0.5mg

    HCG -
    Mg per week:1000mg
    how many times per week: 2x 500mg



    Test-C is 200mg/ml @ 1.5ml volume per week.

    300mg
    .75ml per pin
    2 pins a week

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    Quote Originally Posted by global-illuminati View Post
    Test-C is 200mg/ml @ 1.5ml volume per week.

    300mg
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    2 pins a week
    Ok. Your problem is you are taking way too much.

    Change your dose to the following.

    60mg per pin.
    That's 30 units on your syringe.

    Inject twice a week. Tuesday night, Saturday morning.

    Take 0.5mg arimidex , that's half a tablet. Wednesday and Sunday.

    HCG . Take 500iu 2x a week. Same time as your testosterone .

    Re-evaluate blood work in 6 weeks. See if your hematocrit drops

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon1972 View Post
    Ok. Your problem is you are taking way too much.

    Change your dose to the following.

    60mg per pin.
    That's 30 units on your syringe.

    Inject twice a week. Tuesday night, Saturday morning.

    Take 0.5mg arimidex , that's half a tablet. Wednesday and Sunday.

    HCG . Take 500iu 2x a week. Same time as your testosterone .

    Re-evaluate blood work in 6 weeks. See if your hematocrit drops


    Ok, i can try that. For the sake of continuity within the thread don't forget that i made a progression from 200mg to 300mg per week over the course of 6 months and have yet to feel anything other than some water weight and slight strength gains. Started out with sub 400 test levels and very low free test and even at 300mg i'm in the 800 range and still feel nothing. Oh, and in the beginning HCT was 49.9 or something close.

    Also, i'm already down to 2 doses per week of .5mg of the AI. And it seems to have crashed my E2. Do i understand you correctly as the suggestion is to remain at the 1mg per week of AI while cutting the test dosage? And you mentioned Arimidex...since the only thing i have access to is anastrazole i suppose that will do, yes? Or is there a specific reason i would need to switch to Arimidex?

    Thanks for bearing with me on all this and trying to assist in getting it dialed in. Not doubting the suggestions, just wish to understand the reasoning behind them so i can understand the whole process better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by global-illuminati View Post
    Ok, i can try that. For the sake of continuity within the thread don't forget that i made a progression from 200mg to 300mg per week over the course of 6 months and have yet to feel anything other than some water weight and slight strength gains. Started out with sub 400 test levels and very low free test and even at 300mg i'm in the 800 range and still feel nothing. Oh, and in the beginning HCT was 49.9 or something close.
    Doesn't change the fact you are taking too much, at that rate you would better be placed asking the other sections for anabolic steroid cycle advice. This is therapeutic not performance enhancing. When you abuse steroids you just deal with the bad side effects. Drop your dose.
    Also, i'm already down to 2 doses per week of .5mg of the AI. And it seems to have crashed my E2. Do i understand you correctly as the suggestion is to remain at the 1mg per week of AI while cutting the test dosage? And you mentioned Arimidex ...since the only thing i have access to is anastrazole i suppose that will do, yes? Or is there a specific reason i would need to switch to Arimidex?
    Arimidex is anastrozole.there is no difference. You can take a quarter of a tablet instead instead of half if you wish, probably a better idea. Then keep checking bloodwork. And adjust from there. Your Dr should guide you.
    Thanks for bearing with me on all this and trying to assist in getting it dialed in. Not doubting the suggestions, just wish to understand the reasoning behind them so i can understand the whole process better.

    Read above.

    Where is your Dr in all this?
    Are yourself medicating?
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