HCG to jump start the "boys" bc Wanting Kids in about 6 months?

[petemitchell30]

In about 6 months my wife and I would like to get pregnant. I've been on TRT for about 6 months already, protocol of 200Test EW, along with .25 arimidex 3X per week. I had HCG prescribed in the beginning at 500IU 2X week, but I dropped it due elevated E2. I absolutely hate HCG, because it causes my nipples itch, and makes me retain an ungodly amount of water.

I am pretty certain that my "boys" have shut down due to the fact that 1)they are much smaller, and 2)I have run a cycle of a pretty strong androgenic steroid for an 8 week period.

Questions:
1) If I run HCG with my TRT plan at 250IU M,W,F, is this enough to "jump start my boys" back up over the course of 6 months?
2) I have read that arimidex does very little to combat the increase in E2 caused by HCG. Is this accurate?
3) If arimidex does NOT combat E2 increase caused by HCG, would it be worth upping the arimidex dose anyway to rid my body of all E2 EXCEPT that caused by HCG - thereby lowering my total E2?

[Youthful55guy]

I suggest you start with this article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15713727. You can download a free copy by following the link in the upper right of the PubMed screen.

Coviello, A.D., Matsumoto, A.M., Bremner, W.J., Herbst, K.L., Amory, J.K., Anawalt, B.D., Sutton, P.R., Wright, W.W., Brown, T.R., Yan, X., et al. (2005). Low-dose human chorionic gonadotropin maintains intratesticular testosterone in normal men with testosterone-induced gonadotropin suppression. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 90, 2595-2602.

Cliff notes in case you're not into reading endocrinology papers, the optimum dose appears to be around 1000 IU per week. Best to do this in split doses every 2-3 days. Also keep in mind that it takes about 6 weeks for sperm cells to fully mature, so what you do today doesn't appear in your ejaculate for up to 2 months.

Best of luck dad!

[Marsoc]

I never cycled but I heard 250iu x2 /week
And I'll wait for the answer to the Arimidex question. Hope thats not the case lol

[600@50]

Many men still get their partners pregnant while on TRT and it's happened while on a cycle too. I wouldn't worry too much at this point. If you have bad effects from HCG then try getting pregnant without it and if it doesn't work then explore other options. Best of luck.

[MuscleScience]

I suggest you start with this article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15713727. You can download a free copy by following the link in the upper right of the PubMed screen.

Coviello, A.D., Matsumoto, A.M., Bremner, W.J., Herbst, K.L., Amory, J.K., Anawalt, B.D., Sutton, P.R., Wright, W.W., Brown, T.R., Yan, X., et al. (2005). Low-dose human chorionic gonadotropin maintains intratesticular testosterone in normal men with testosterone-induced gonadotropin suppression. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 90, 2595-2602.

Cliff notes in case you're not into reading endocrinology papers, the optimum dose appears to be around 1000 IU per week. Best to do this in split doses every 2-3 days. Also keep in mind that it takes about 6 weeks for sperm cells to fully mature, so what you do today doesn't appear in your ejaculate for up to 2 months.

Best of luck dad!

Thanks for posting!

I might add, that it takes 72 days from start to finish for a sperm cell to be produced my the testis. So if you assume 100% shut down from a cycle or at the very least a low sperm count because of it. You need to factor in that window of time in your plans.

Happy Humping!

[kelkel]

To piggyback on what youthfulguy posted:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4378070/

[Youthful55guy]

I just read a post from a guy in another forum who asked a similar question. He was using 250IU 2X per week and asked if he should increase his dose. He had a semen analysis lab coming up in couple weeks and I advised him to wait until he had a baseline semen analysis at his current dose before increasing it. He just posted today that his semen count was "normal". So, even at that low dose, it apparently is effective.

One thing to keep in mind too is that sperm cells require a certain level of intratesticular testosterone (ITT) in order to mature. The thrust of the article that I posted a link to was to figure out what amount of HCG was necessary to restore ITT to normal levels. The results of the study showed that it was about 1000 IU per week. The poster that I mentioned did not discuss motility or other aspects of fertility, so it's something to think about.

[petemitchell30]

I just read a post from a guy in another forum who asked a similar question. He was using 250IU 2X per week and asked if he should increase his dose. He had a semen analysis lab coming up in couple weeks and I advised him to wait until he had a baseline semen analysis at his current dose before increasing it. He just posted today that his semen count was "normal". So, even at that low dose, it apparently is effective.

One thing to keep in mind too is that sperm cells require a certain level of intratesticular testosterone (ITT) in order to mature. The thrust of the article that I posted a link to was to figure out what amount of HCG was necessary to restore ITT to normal levels. The results of the study showed that it was about 1000 IU per week. The poster that I mentioned did not discuss motility or other aspects of fertility, so it's something to think about.

Youth, Kel, I appreciate it fellas.